Mike-

Thanks for the correction.  I agree, Open Source is wonderful.  I would like 
to share with the group a personal experience at my work with Open Source vs. 
Something else.  When I got there the company was running a web site using
ASP on NT.  Hundreds of lines of code to do email forms!  To make matters
worse the company they hired to do the stuff did everything inside of a 
Visual Basic com object so the code was locked away in a little dll file.

I was tired of trying to guess what was in there one day and decided to try 
out PHP on NT.  I was able to get around their code and cut the numbers of 
lines of code down to a minimum.  We are still re-writing portions of the 
site, but I can tell you that with PHP we have cut download times by over 50% 
and the number of lines of code is averaging under 100 per page, down from 
500.

I have no problem with a company protecting information on something they
do, but when it is a web site and you hide code in the dll's and go so far as 
to check to make sure you name is still a comment on line 1 of the html code 
AND you pay good money for the work--I have a problem.

> > It's been a good discussion. I just thought I might point out your not
> really using the term `commercial' correctly [many Open Source folk
> don't]. The opposite of Open Source is closed source. The opposite of
> commerical is non-commercial.
>
> Mandrake is a commercial Open Source OS -  the commerce occurs in that
> Mandrake use their Linux distribution to gain revenue from boxed sets,
> consulting, customized development, andd cetification programs.
>
> DB2 is a commercial closed source database.
>
> Powerarchiver [www.powerarchiver.com] is a mostly non-commerical closed
> source archiving app.
>
> And many small Open Source apps are non-commerical, like gqview or
> similar, though this may change soon.
>
> Personally, I don't care at all whether something is commerical or
> otherwise [they're very hard to define anyway]. Open and closed source
> are important, but my primary concern is getting the best tool for the
> job. That just quite often happens to be the Open Source one.
>
> Mike
>

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