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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Taetzsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] where to get kernel upgrades for 7.2
> Since I'm responsible for starting this, I guess I'll add my comments
> after seeing the replies. First thanks to all of you for your input.
>
> I am a hardware engineer, so I do have an understanding of what goes
> on inside a PC. I use to re-compile the kernel often, but after it
> became more modular I stopped. Although I like to configure and try
> new things, re-compiling a kernel is not where I want to spend a lot
> of time to save a few or even 100K of RAM.
>
> Re-compiling a kernel is not that difficult once you have a config
> file that works. I think it would be great to have a tool create a
> config file from the current working kernel. Maybe that tool exists
> and I don't know about it. I downloaded the source tarball yesterday
> and played with compiling it on my pc at work. Not my home pc where I
> am having the problems. I haven't opened the box of my work pc, so I'm
> not exactly sure of what is inside. After a few tries, I still don't
> have a working kernel. I'm sure I can correct this, but it will take a
> couple of more tries. I'm missing devpts and I have to find the
> CONFIG_PACKET (Packet socket) and CONFIG_FILTER options in the IP area
> I guess. And some other usb stuff seems to be missing.
>
> It seems to me that it wouldn't be that difficult for the people at
> Mandrake to create rpms for the updated kernels. I guess there is
> always the danger that the new kernel will break something so it has
> to be qualified. But kernel updates can be required for hardware
> reasons, so I believe it would be worthwhile for them to do this for
> their customers.
>
> One of the biggest problems I have had with Mandrake is getting rpms
> for packages I want. It seems as soon as a release is made, people
> stop creating rpms for that release and start working on rpms for the
> next release (currently cooker) that may or may not work with current
> release. My machine at work is still 7.1, because the 7.2 install
> fails, which after running 7.2 at home, may be a good thing :-). Since
> 7.1 is based on version 3 of rpm, there are even more rpms that I
> can't install. No one creates rpms for 7.1 anymore. Well ok some do
> like helix gnome. I am seriously thinking of trying a debian based
> distro. I hear the debian updater is far superior. We all know how
> well the MandrakeUpdate works!
>
> Just my 0.02 and I'll be waiting for the 2.2.19 rpms.
>
> Steve
>
> Dave writes:
> > PMFJI (a long lost acronym from my Compuserve [gah!] days ... Pardon Me
> > For Jumping In), but......
> > In the last 12 hours there was discussion on the security-discuss
> > list where Vincent mentionned that, due a security hole in 2.2.18 and
> > below, they were preparing 2.2.19 kernel rpms for LM 7.2. Any delay
would
> > be due to the fact that it's a lot of work (the new kernels will be
> > needed for LM 6.0 to 7.0, as well as Corporate Server), and they are
> > waiting on some 3rd party patches.
> >
> > This would be a great kernel rpm upgrade as 2.2.18 and up (thanks
> > to Alan Cox & friends) contains tons of the goodies that were first
> > introduced onto 2.4.x. I believe there is some merrit in wanting to
stick
> > with Mandrake kernel rpms as there are patches included that, AFAIK,
> > enhance the Mandrake distribution as a whole. This is *not* to say that
> > compiling your own kernel is a bad idea; indeed it's a wonderful
> > experience, and done properly, rebooting into the original kernel
should
> > be trivial. On a system with limited hardware resources, or a system
that
> > serves a specific duty, then a custom kernel is the way to go, if only
for
> > the principle of the whole thing; this is Linux after all :-).
> >
> > Peace
> > Dave.
> >
> > On 28-Mar-2001 Marc wrote:
> > > I do not agree with your statement that kernel loads them all...
> > >
> > > Most kernels that are in the binary RPM use modules. I tried to make
> > > my ownb kernel a few times but it only saved me about 50k or so.
It's
> > > not worth all the trouble (unless you really have a shortage of RAM
in
> > > your system). The modules will only be loaded if they are needed.
You
> > > can see the modules that are loaded with lsmod. You see that not
> > > everything is loaded then, but only a few modules.
> > >
> > > Modules are one of the strongest features of the linux kernel so why
> > > not use it. Recompiling the whole thing is only needed when you need
> > > something really special. In 95% of the cases you can just install
the
> > > kernel rpm and load the system. I don't believe that a custom kernel
is
> > > really faster then a customized kernel.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "FreezeR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:32 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [expert] where to get kernel upgrades for 7.2
> > >
> > >
> > >> i think for a kernel upgrade you should compile the source by ur
self
> > >> not from the rpm...
> > >> download the new kernel at www.kernel.org
> > >> unpack the kernel, and go into the kernel directory
> > >> make menuconfig
> > >> make dep
> > >> make clean
> > >> make bzImage
> > >> make bzlilo
> > >> then edit your lilo.conf
> > >>
> > >> one of the reason why people do a kernel upgrade is to optimized
their
> > >> kernel...
> > >> there are many options that your system dont need, but unfortunately
> > >> the kernel load'em all if we boot the machine....
> > >> so..take sometimes to compile your kernel...
> > >> trust me it wont useless at all...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Steven Taetzsch wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Where do I find kernel rpms for 7.2, not cooker? I've downloaded
2.4
> > >> > rpms, but they have other dependencies required. I didn't want to
> > >> > get
> > >> > into a chain of this package requires this update which requires
> > >> > this
> > >> > update and so on. I just want to upgrade to 2.2.18 or 2.4 on my
> > >> > stock
> > >> > 7.2 system.
> > >> >
> > >> > My usb zip drive works fine on 7.1 with an upgrade to 2.2.16-9mdk,
> > >> > but
> > >> > doesn't work on my 7.2 machine. I thought I'd try a newer kernel
> > >> > with
> > >> > better usb support.
> > >> >
> > >> > Steve
> >
> >
> > ---------
> > 28-Mar-2001
> > 03:28:59
> > ---------
>
>
