I think he may be looking at the form where you must telnet to a gateway
program on the firewall (which has monitoring capability), which then
makes the telnet connection to the end point for you.  The only option
in cases like this is someting like httptunnel (port 80 if available)
and ssh or zebedee feeding through it.  In a Linux home situation, or a
university or similar, ssh can be implemented.  SSH is not widespread or
even as accepted in areas outside of Linux which tends make people
underestimate the difficulties in implementing an SSH only environment. 
Just coz its a good idea, doesnt mean the world should, must or even
does use it, and currently from my experiance, linux is the exception in
conciously moving to SSH.

BillK

On Sat, 2001-11-17 at 11:33, Vincent Danen wrote:
> On Fri Nov 16, 2001 at 08:09:59AM +0100, kons Richard Bown wrote:
> 
> > > Seriously, the telnet client has it's uses.. it's the telnet server
> > > that should be abolished.
> > > 
> > > Those with restrictive firewalls really don't have an excuse... they
> > > can setup thier home ssh to listen to the telnet port and use ssh to
> > > connect through the telnet port to their home system.  Same as it you
> > > were using telnet.  You just need to be a little creative.
> > 
> > and a bit of magic as well !!!!....you are asumming the other end has
> > ssh capability, and if it has'nt ?????
> > cya
> 
> You can clearly see by my message that I indicated such by describing
> thier "home ssh".  If it doesn't have ssh, or can't be made to have
> ssh, than you're SOL I suppose.
> 
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