All, Just found this at http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1332&PHPSESSID=df764edd16c338af9b6960937c4bd1a7 It starts KDE in under 2 seconds on my box (1gig celeron) it has both fast starts for kde and kde3 ... basically it changes the init order so that it can start and you can start working while it does all the fancy things behind your back. (real tech talk here hehe) It's working for me soooooo. James
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