On Mon, 27 May 2002 11:23:10 +0200
Nicolas ROBAUX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Le Dimanche 26 Mai 2002 00:14, vous avez �crit :
> >    Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm sadly experiencing a lot of freezes in my LM 8.1 box. I just
> > hope I
> 
> Hi !
> 
> [I know my story is related to the 8.2 and 8.1, but it will perhaps
> help you...]
> 
> I experienced EXACTLY the same thing, with my Mdk 8.2 just installed.
> I have a Duron 900 and a motherboard MSI 6330 Lite Edition 3 (VIA
> KT133A chipset) and a 3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000.
> 
> It always freezed, totally randomly (no Telnet, nothing... just
> reboot). Just like you, I thought it was because of X. And my Linux is
> an internet gateway for my local wireless network. So I stopped
> launching X, and worked only on a pure console : still freezes, very
> often (one time per hour...), so it has nothing to do with X. I
> updated the BIOS : still the same. I recompiled the kernel with AMD K7
> on : still the same. All the hardware worked fine under WinXP, and the
> fan was good and well attached, too...
> 
> And I remembered that all was great with Mdk 8.1.
> 
> So here is what I did :
> I downgraded my 8.2 kernel (2.4.18) to the 8.1 (2.4.8). And it NEVER
> freezes again.
> 
> So will won't you try to downgrade to another Mdk kernel (from the
> 7.x) ?
> 
> Don't do that with Mdk Software Manager/urpmi : it will uninstall
> almost all your system. Just do it with rpm -e kernel- (-doc, -header,
> 2.4.18-6mdk, -source). For headers, I had to use -nodeps, but this not
> important, because the 2.4.8 headers will be good. If you use iptables
> for your firewall, uninstall it all the same.
> Then use the 8.1 CD (or download the RPMS from a Mandrake 8.1 mirror),
> and install the 2.4.8 kernel, and the iptables from 8.1 too.
> Normally, after the installation, all the settings and the symbolic
> lynks in /boot will be correct. Just check them, check your lilo or
> grub, then reboot.
> 
> Enjoy the non-freezing dimension.
> 
> [Be carefull if you use PCMCIA card : for me, the old
> /etc/sysconfig/pcmcia (wich was working) has been overwritten by the
> new-old one, and PCMCIA couldn't work anymore. I just had to rewrite
> this config file, just like the first one was, and PCMCIA worked again
> (the line PCMCIA=yes, became PCMCIA=no, and the other lines
> disappeared, but I rewrote them).]
> 
> Next time, I won't complain : I'll join the beta-test... :-/

Curious here... Has anyone had success with a 2.4.18 Linus kernel?  IE
no Mandrake tweaks.  What really sounds like is happening is that it's
caused by the new VM and/or preemptive Kernel tweaks added (I believe)
with 2.4.10.  If this is the case the problem is not Mandrake's but
rather Linus's and he should be the proud recipient of a loud "thwack"
from the distros *grin*   Note that this is coming from reading some of
the "flame war" at the time he (Linus) decided to make these changes. 
Note that I'm not second guessing Linus, I'm not good enough.  I am
however trying to take any undeserved heat off of Mandrake. 

James

> 
> After all, I don't need absolutely the 2.4.18 kernel... I even don't
> know the differences between 2.4.8 and 2.4.18, except this very
> interesting freezing function... What I like in Mdk 8.2 is the
> softwares within, not the kernel.
> 
> N.
> 
> P.S. : a lot of users complain about freezes, in MandrakeForum, and
> they accuse X or their KDM/GDM, or their graphic card, as they start X
> automatically at boot, thinking that Linux is only a graphical
> systems... I'm pretty sure all their troubles come from this kernel...
> 
> 
> 

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