On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:37:00 +1000 Ron Stodden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Pierre Fortin wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:01:09 -0500 Tom Brinkman
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Wednesday October 16 2002 09:58 am, Pierre Fortin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>ARGHHHHHHH!!!!! Worse!!! What appeared to be under *700*, wasn't:
> >>> 681836544 Mar 18 2002 Mandrake82-cd1-inst.i586.iso
> >>> 680624128 Mar 18 2002 Mandrake82-cd2-ext.i586.iso
> >>> 679739392 Mar 18 2002 Mandrake82-cd3-supp.i586.iso
> >>> * 728334336 Sep 29 03:24 Mandrake90-cd1-inst.i586.iso
> >>> * 733544448 Sep 29 17:00 Mandrake90-cd2-ext.i586.iso
> >>> 478511104 Sep 30 01:51 Mandrake90-cd3-i18n.i586.is
> >>
> >> 733544448 bytes == 699.6 MB and easily fits on a 700MB CD
> >
> >
> > Apparently not with _xcdroast_... it just "burned" a blank disk... I
> > just burned 8.2 successfully on the *same* platter that xcdroast
> > claimed was burned with 9.0.... I'm burning 9.0 with -overburn right
> > now... of course, that can only be done with _cdrecord_ directly
> > since xcdroast does not appear to have support for overburn and many
> > other cdrecord options.
>
> As Tom says, all the 9.0 misc/MakeCD iso images will fit on CD-RW 700MB
> blanks. I have done it without overburn, so do not see your problem?
>
> Perhaps the 9.0 iso files might go on 650MB blanks with overburn? ...
>
> > Bottom line: GUI frontends generally suck!
>
> Absolutely true - all of them that I have tried get it wrong. Every
> one! I do not know why Mandrake perseveres or distributes them since
> they do not work - not one of them!
>
> cdrecord is tops, and very easy to use as root. Don't forget the dao
> argument if you want to be able to md5sum <iso file> /dev/cdrom, which
> IMHO is essential. There is no equivalent in Windows 98 SE - but some
> Windows burning software has a verify mode, which cdrecord does not
> have.
Hope this doesn't sound too harsh... it's intended as constructive
criticism of the >650MB CD{1,2} 9.0 release.
I checked HP's web site and this drive does support 80 min. CDs... but I
also found some comments on google groups indicating the drive may only
reliably record 78:30...
Reminder: 8.2 CD[1-3] and 9.0 CD3 burn fine.
What puzzles me is that cdrecord claims to be burning while not burning
anything at all...
xcdroast stops after fixating times out (200s)
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD1_9.0_xcdroast
cdrecord appears to work, yet nothing
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD1_9.0
cdrecord works fine on the SAME platter (used above) when writing 8.2
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD1_8.2
cdrecord -overburn produces a blank CD
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD1_9.0-overburn
cdrecord does write; but errors on fixation
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD1_9.0_badwrite
cdrecord confirms that some data did get written on the last burn
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD1_9.0_afterbadwrite
cdrecord -ignsize produces a blank CD
http://pfortin.com/Linux/CDR/CD2_9.0-ignsize
So... something causes the writer to not light the laser... cdrecord
doesn't notice it, possibly until the fixation step...
In every case where the fixation step failed, the writer LED was still
blinking (even overnight) until I hit the eject button.
THE WAY I SEE IT... this sounds like a 2002 version of the 1970s
modifications we used to make to 5.25" floppies (punch holes in jacket and
notch the edge) to allow them to be used double sided...
I don't have ready access to the specs; but everything I've read so far
indicates that the official spec is likey still 74 minutes (650MB) --
this raises the question: if 80 minutes/700MB is NOT guaranteed by the
drive manufacturers, why should any Linux distro risk the ire of its
customers by pushing the envelope on 2 CDs when all 3 CDs could have been
written within the 650MB specs...
Last year, my telco lowered its DSL rates by $10/mo; all of those savings
went into the Mandrake Club. This time, since it looks like I may have to
shell out for a new writer*, whatever money is spent on it due to
Mandrake's choice of ISO size will impact my Club level...
* unfortunately, if the specs are still at 650MB, then any product is
still a risky choice.
Mandrake: you still have the best distro IMO; but some of your choices
will determine whether customers spend their money with you, or on
hardware upgrades to support your arbitrary decisions... the choice is
yours on how to maximize your profits... While replacing h/w would have
been a simple decision in 1999, today's financial situation is not
conducive to arbitrary spending...
Pierre
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