So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as "American" as ,Microsuck.Intel is 
the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont forget that browsers "technology" of 
M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay back to the world ?NO.

Choong

Oliver Thieke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi List, hi Steve B. � ;-) !
>
> > "Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of,"
>
>Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate
>environ ? �win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to
>administrate as LX/UX... �The decisive difference is not the
>cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications
>(still, unfortunately).
>
> > "Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now
> > it wants to clone Windows. "
>
>So what ? �To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware
>is maybe a good idea, hmmm. �M$ is still in the process of cloning...
>And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too...
>
> > "It would be nice to get some innovation."
>
>And what about M$ ? �Which innovations do they provide ? �Declaring
>the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way
>right on the third attempt... �And what about their innovations ?
>
> � + C#: � � � � � � � �heavily influenced by SUN's Java
> � + GUI: � � � � � � � invented by PARC Xerox & spread by Apple Mac
> � + Win NT: � � � � � �based on co-development with IBM (OS/2)
> � + Office Apps: � � � invented by VisiCalc
> � + TCP/IP: � � � � � �invented by DARPA & spread by UX
> � + Web: � � � � � � � invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC),
> � � � � � � � � � � � �first denied an neglected by M$...
> � + User Admin (ADS): �clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP
> � + Authetification: � based on Kerberos (ADS)
> � + SMB/CIFS: � � � � �original SMB protocol introduced by IBM
> � + MS SQL: � � � � � �Sybase clone
>
>And their own "innovations" - WINS and NT domain. Gone...
>
>And security ? �One of my favorite quotes:
>
>"Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some
> �fundamental dislike for the company. �Indeed, Microsoft's poor products
> �are one of the reasons we're in business. �We pick on them because they've
> �done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they
> �repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because
> �they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie
> �anywhere but inside Microsoft.
> �Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems.
> �Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft
> �and its products."
> �Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002
>
>To broaden the discussion: �the only thing I fear for the future and
>from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and "Palladium"...
>It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of
>the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious
>threat for the OpenSource Software and movement...
>
>Cheers from the city without the wall ;-).
>
>Oliver
>
>
>
>

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