On Friday 25 October 2002 12:55 pm, Franki wrote: > I am starting to question the idea of us all supporting AMD, if transmeta > made a good desktop processor comparable with Athlons or P4's I'd back them > first... > > AMD are sucking up to M$ something bigtime, they have jumped on the > Palladium bandwagon just like intel, they renamed their processor after the > M$ latest OS, and they work really hard to get in M$ good books.... why > they do it is irrelevant (money, name association...etc).. that they do > is..... because when it comes down to it.. all the palladium crap is gonna > be on the processor.. AMD's as much as intels. > > remember, any replies I get that start with "but they said it will all be > turned off by default" doesn't know M$ very well, they may well start it > that way, but how long before that changes??? > > I say "come on Transmeta, get us a fast, preferable pin compatable > processor compariable to the others and we will jump on board like never > before." > > > rgds > > Frank <minor snips> > winisd wrote: > > So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as "American" as > ,Microsuck.Intel is the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont > forget that browsers "technology" of M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay > back to the world ?NO. > > Choong > > Oliver Thieke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! > > > > > "Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of," > > > >Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate > >environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to > >administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the > >cost/complexity of administration but the number of applications > >(still, unfortunately). > > > > > "Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now > > > it wants to clone Windows. " > > > >So what ? To clone a proven, well-designed system for cheap hardware > >is maybe a good idea, hmmm. M$ is still in the process of cloning... > >And Mac OS-X is a clone (or fusion of UX, Obj-C-Lib's and MAC-GUI) too... > > > > > "It would be nice to get some innovation." > > > >And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring > >the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way > >right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? > > > > + C#: heavily influenced by SUN's Java > > + GUI: invented by PARC Xerox & spread by Apple Mac > > + Win NT: based on co-development with IBM (OS/2) > > + Office Apps: invented by VisiCalc > > + TCP/IP: invented by DARPA & spread by UX > > + Web: invented at CERN and NCSA (UIUC), > > first denied an neglected by M$... > > + User Admin (ADS): clone of Novell's NDS and LDAP > > + Authetification: based on Kerberos (ADS) > > + SMB/CIFS: original SMB protocol introduced by IBM > > + MS SQL: Sybase clone > > > >And their own "innovations" - WINS and NT domain. Gone... > > > >And security ? One of my favorite quotes: > > > >"Honestly, security experts don't pick on Microsoft because we have some > > fundamental dislike for the company. Indeed, Microsoft's poor products > > are one of the reasons we're in business. We pick on them because > > they've done more to harm Internet security than anyone else, because they > > repeatedly lie to the public about their products' security, and because > > they do everything they can to convince people that the problems lie > > anywhere but inside Microsoft. > > Microsoft treats security vulnerabilities as public relations problems. > > Until that changes, expect more of this kind of nonsense from Microsoft > > and its products." > > Bruce Schneier, cryptogram Jan, 2002 > > > >To broaden the discussion: the only thing I fear for the future and > >from M$ is the whole subject of TCPA, DRM and "Palladium"... > >It will be based on Hardware, will give M$ a deeper control of > >the PC and the software installed on it and might be a serious > >threat for the OpenSource Software and movement... > > > >Cheers from the city without the wall ;-). > > > >Oliver
This is a copy of a message I sent a while back to AMD about that sucking up they've been doing, and the reply they recently "honoured" me with. Sorry the message is now so long: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:02:31 -0700 Hello, Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center. AMD is evaluating the Palladium technology being proposed by Microsoft. AMD works with Microsoft on many of their technologies. Because this pertains to unreleased products, we are unable to comment at this time. However, we do appreciate your feedback. Best Regards, Ryan Gardner CPU Specialist AMD TSC P.S. Please visit our new online technical support website, Ask AMD, at http://ask.amd.com. Ask AMD is easy to use and contains answers to many of the questions our customers have asked. There's a good chance it can answer your next question! > Original Message Follows: ------------------------ > Since I have no idea to whom this should be directed I'll send it to the > generic hardware support address. > I have been reading in the tech press for some time regarding AMD's > plans to include support for Microsoft and their "Palladium" or "Trusted > Computing" initiative. > I will state unequivocally that should this come to pass I will be a > former customer of yours; as I was once a customer of Intel's, > Microsoft's, Anti-Virus vendors (pick one), the music industry, the > film industry, etc. > I refuse to be bullied and indirectly accused of terrorism or thievery > because I choose to play a compact disk or a DVD; that I purchased, on > my computer. I refuse to allow Microsoft, the BSA, or any government > agency to snoop through my personal files just because I _might_ have kept > a copy of a song from one of those disks in a compressed format on one > of my hard drives for convenience. Once I have paid my money to use > someone's "Intellectual Property" for an individual copy of the work I > find it ludicrous that I must; in effect, request permission every time > I wish to peruse the movie, listen to the recording, write a document, > or boot the operating system of _my choice_ on hardware that I own. > Microsoft's "Everlasting Usurious Lease Agreement" is the primary reason > I will never again load that corporation's software on a machine that is > under my control. > Your bowing to them in order to gain some soi disant advantages will be > the reason I am no longer an AMD customer. It may be your undoing. Many > of us read 1984 � and remembered what we read. Anything that smacks of > "Big Brother" is so distasteful it's possible that it may become a > "cause celebre." Can you say "Boycott?" By every GNU/Linux user on the > planet? Anything is possible. > I know the thoughts a message such as this generate in the recipient's > mind; he's one consumer, probably one of those "Cancerous" operating > system users/advocates; a hermit that is socially inept and reclusive, > with no friends or influence. Or possibly just a rabble rousing trouble > maker. Probably doesn't spend all that much on hardware anyway, right? > Guess again; and I'll answer that with these question: > How many of us are there? Can you afford to offend us all? > -- > Charlie Mahan > Edmonton Alberta Canada > September 24, 2002 -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org When you're in command, command. -- Admiral Nimitz
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