I've been lucky so far -- at the company I work for, I'm in charge of all
technology oriented activities (security, database, systems, helpdesk, and
so forth) so if I make a suggestion there is typically very little
resistance to it (since, after all, I've been right several times before
already -- proven track record always helps).

Michael

At 07:48 PM 1/11/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 18:24, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
>> On Sunday 12 January 2003 00:47, Lorne wrote:
>> > That is what I think. The reason I want to speak to him. I am not in the
>> > security section. I'm trying. I am positive they are in way over their
>> > heads and I told him it wasn't a matter if but when we got hacked. The
sad
>> > part is, they probably won't know it when they do, if the hacker is
smart.
>> 
>> Trouble is that as long as you're trying to get heard, they'll see you
as a 
>> threat. Meaning they (the security dep.)'ll be using all their energy to 
>> fight you instead of the cracker they've never ever felt before.
>> 
>> Don't ever try to fight ignorants face to face, play along and be their 
>> advisor in "hard times".
>> It's the only way, or be prepared to stick a lot of energy and time in 
>> battling their "back to the wall" tactics. You'll probably lose any which 
>> way!
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> HarM
>
>HarM...
>
>  Good bad or indifferent, you are unfortunately right. The best move in
>my opinion is to make your proposal in writing (so that you have a
>copy.) to the head of security... Then when he botches it... You are
>ahead.. If he likes what you suggest, then HE gets to go to the boss and
>win.... either way. You win.
>
>James
>
>
>
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