I have just two more comments on this thread... 1. Germans are not cowards. - They are mostly ashamed of the whole "Hitler" thing and what to guard against it ever happening again. (perhaps they are even paranoid of it happening again.)ie to learn from it. and that is as it should be.
- Most people don't realise it, but Germany was Massively outnumbered in WWII, by about 10:1 or more they had a dumbass leader who did not listen to his own generals and flubbed many important decisions. and STILL, they almost won... but in the end, the dumb decisions cost them the war.... and thats also as it should be.. but just keep in mind, that it took the WHOLE world, 5 years to beat one country the size of Victoria (smallest state in Australia.) 2. Whatever the reasons, the US did join both wars in WWII, and its just as well they did.. because most of you would be speaking Japanese or German now, (assuming you are still alive) had they not joined the war effort. Thats just my take on history.. So saying that "No one voted in the US as world police" is silly, there is no other country capable of doing it right now.. and from a military standpoint, most of the other countries put together don't match the US.. Who else is there??? (Its also possible that the whole US/UN thing could be a global scale "Good Cop Bad Cop" scenario, where the US is the bad cop and the UN the good one.. Its not likely they would tell us if it were the case now is it?? Think about it, it actually fits doesn't it.. Countries like Iraq and leaders like Saddam, rely on the fact that the UN is very slow to do anything, and they forgive many many indescretions, because a collition of countries that all have their own agenda, will always have problems agreeing on anything until some mass violence occurs.. I am hoping that won't happen. but look how long the UN has put up with Iraq breaking their demands,, what is it, 12 years now??? If not for the US pushing the issue, the UN would spend another ten years pointlessly issuing demands to a dictactor who cares not a whistle for them... and eventually something would happen, people would die, and THEN the UN would do something.. Its not their fault.. but that doesn't change the fact that they nearly always respond AFTER the killing has begun or outright hostility is declaired.. One other thing.. with Germany, France and Russia, its possible that the reason they don't want war is because if the economic effect it would have on their countries to support such a war, or because they have agreements in place that would stop if war is declaired.. its possible they know without a doubt what is going on over there, and dont' want to be involved in a war anyway.. for monitary reasons or whatever, again, my point is that we just don't know. So not knowing, we should not be so quick to condemn.. if they are wrong.. it will come out eventually anyway. rgds Frank -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 3:24 AM To: ExpertMandrake-List Subject: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow? On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 08:18, Dallam Wych wrote: > > > > I'm not religious, I wish I were. This madman and the options he has > > > > scare me to death. > > > > > wobo > > I guess that perhaps is the way America and the uk feel when they > hear your chancellor repetively refer "the german way". Talk about > scarey stuff, deja vu. No joke. > > First of all, this is not the right place to discuss this .. but we had many > > OT-discussions here, why not these... > Yep, might as well get your two euro's in as well. Heh. > > WTF ....... You think war is the only way ? You think US-american have the > > right for being world-police ? .... > No, I don't think war is the only way. As for the US-American (sic) > having the right to be the world police, I don't care much for that > notion either. I am a firm believer that the US should withdraw from > NATO and let the europeans deal with their own issues. Might as well > withdraw from the United Nations as well, as it most certainly as > become as weak as the United League ever was. I agree with your statement about the weakness and neutered nature of the UN. Too many people have died because of their "inaction", which to the antilogic of the left seems to be the heroic thing to do these days. For the same reason however, I feel strongly that many people would die needlessly by the hands of dictators and terrorist regimes if the US did retract, similar to the deaths of those that have occurred already under the stewardship of the UN in the region around and in Iraq by virtue of the imaginary weapons of mass destruction that the liberals say don't exist. In a nutshell, I think the withdrawal of the US from the international scene would involve the deaths of entire populations of people, since the UN and the EU are going to do the heroic thing and stand by doing nothing, like they have for the last 12 years in response to the Iraqi UN violations, for example. > > > Germany's histories regarding innocent life are not exactly > > > something to brag about; however I'm not posting rants regarding Hitler > > > and the Holocaust and 6 million Jews that were murdered. Oh yeah, and > > > the fact that the US was one of the primary forces that put a stop to > > > it. Madmen, eh? yeah, I can certainly talk about some madmen; like the > > > ones that murder Jews. However I'm starting to understand why the > > > Mandrake lists should minimize political talk; because I am extremely > > > pissed right now. I suggest that this conversation go elsewhere; like > > > maybe to my personal inbox, where I will be more than glad to finish > > > this dance. > Well, I understand you are mad..as you should be. Perhaps you wish > you had put things a bit more eloquently :) Maybe if it was an eloquent thread, perhaps. But the start of this thread is one of the most moronic I've ever seen, birthed by me-too liberal and socialist attitudes, bathed in emotion, and accompanied by a total lack of regard for factual or historical information. They are up there in Oz with the tin man and the flying monkeys looking for a brain. Maybe they'll bump into Barbara Streisand while she quotes Shakespeare or party on with another bogus CNN broadcast while Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon serves the drinks. In the meantime I don't mind trading insult for insult. By the same token I'm also willing to trade fact for fact, though that opportunity has been vanishingly small, as it always is when dealing with the left. > > How much have you understood what war means ? How much are you informed what > > people here in germany think ? How much are you interested to understand > > whats going on in minds here ? I would say THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE ! > I will pass on this, except to ask you this. Wasn't you chancellor > just returned to power based on the anti-americanism in germany? > Pretty much sums up the mind set of the voters in that election. > > -- > Dallam Wych [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 60B9 5A73 E6B8 F087 66A4 Registered User #213656 > 942D F550 F70D C2FE 8EFB http://counter.li.org LX -- ��������������������������������������������������� Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdk Evolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ ���������������������������������������������������
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