On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:40, ed tharp wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 02:58, T. Ribbrock wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 01:07:12AM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the
> companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver would not be
> there without mySQL, how good is BSD without any of the programs that
> are packed with it? same thing bud..... 
> 

BSD is not a kernel like Linux, it is an OS.
GNU provided the utilities on top of Linux, which make up the entire OS,
BSD is a whole, kernel, system utilities etc all in one, and it doesn't
have distributions.  (Open/Free/NetBSD do have common roots, but are
seperate OS's)

Although it is a complete OS, applications are still another matter, be
they an X-server, Windowmanager or webserver, you have the same choice
there as you do on Linux (Apache, KDE, ...).


> and why do you make a statement that sounds as though only businesses
> have vested interests? individuals come with vested interests as well as
> hidden and open prejudices. 

Because businesses are *inherently* distrustfull.  They have one goal:
MAKE MONEY, if you do that by emploing 10-year old children in Thailand
working for 1 �/$ a day, that's good business, yet it is morally
degraded. (Nike likes that kind of thing).

> > > 
> why not "Bonnie and Clyde" as long as we are talking about
> misappropriations and taking something that you did not earn or pay for?
> 

Bonny and Clyde where *thieves*, yet SCO/Disney/Microsoft/GM are
respected corporations (one better than the other).  I don't see much
difference in their actions.
Face it, most corporations are crooks, even if they don't break the law,
they lack a moral code.  Why do you think they protest minimum-wages,
unions, ...

I do concede that Mandrake has proven itself different (better), and
earned our trust for the moment.  But I and some other people are
concerened that commercial ideas will start affecting engineering
decisions.

> but no matter how good it is, you don't seem willing to _pay_ for the
> quality product you receive. damn shame (imho)
> 
How do you know that?
He stated like me that he does not want to pay for the ad-version.

I stand by my opinion that the "for-fee" version should be ad-free.  Ads
in the download edition are acceptable.



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