On Tue, 2003-09-16 at 08:38, Vincent Danen wrote:
> On Mon Sep 15, 2003 at 02:20:21PM +0200, Guy Van Sanden wrote:
> 
> > > BSD would be a kernel just as linux is just a kernel. I bet 100%of the
> > > companies using BSD and apache-PHP/mySQL on their webserver would not be
> > > there without mySQL, how good is BSD without any of the programs that
> > > are packed with it? same thing bud..... 
> > > 
> > 
> > BSD is not a kernel like Linux, it is an OS.
> > GNU provided the utilities on top of Linux, which make up the entire OS,
> > BSD is a whole, kernel, system utilities etc all in one, and it doesn't
> > have distributions.  (Open/Free/NetBSD do have common roots, but are
> > seperate OS's)
> > 
> > Although it is a complete OS, applications are still another matter, be
> > they an X-server, Windowmanager or webserver, you have the same choice
> > there as you do on Linux (Apache, KDE, ...).
> 
> About all you can do with BSD "out of the box" without any additional
> software (corporately funded or otherwise) is run a firewall.  You can do
> the same with GNU/Linux.
> 
> The argument is irrelevant.  No one uses BSD for "just BSD" unless it's
> academic.  They use BSD with Apache, MySQL, whatever.  No one just uses the
> kernel and base utils.  If you want to do something with it, chances are
> quite good that whatever app/server software/whatever you're running on top
> of your nice free OS was commercially sponsored and/or developed.


I'm sorry Vincent, I was just responding to the statement that BSD like
Linux is only a kernel.  It was a technical answer to the statement that
provoked it.  That's why I also stated BSD to be only an OS, it is not a
complete server/workstation solution without installing stuff like
apache or KDE.

On a non-technical note, I prefer GNU/Linux because of the GPL, I
disagree with the BSD stance to allow proprietary use of its code.

> 
> Comparing Linux to BSD in this way is just plain stupid.  For the current
> argument, there is no difference in terms of how you use the OS (unless, as
> I said, it's academic).

Indeed, that is about what I meant with my statements.
GNU/Linux is the equivalent of e.g. FreeBSD
The form an OS, Linux is the equivalent of the Mach kernel in BSD.

I want to make clear that my answers where techinical, not a stance in
this debate.



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