-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A bit more information and I am no longer prepared to be T'd off when I get my CDs. I see that the bare-bones, 3CD iso download addition is what is missing the kernel source, not what I ordered (nor what anyone paid for). Given this, it is still not unreasonable to NOT include the any experimental kernel, multimedia kernel, enterprise kernel, smp kernel, etc, IF that is what it takes to get something as basic as the kernel-source onto the first 3 CDs. Have the others available for download separately as it is a relative few that use them as compared to those with NVidia video cards and the like (those who need to rebuild the kernel or build drivers that depend on the kernel source). This is simply something that should be reconsidered for future releases as a way to optimize for functionality given limited space.
As I paid for the powerpack addition, I am no longer concerned with being without the kernel-source on one of the CDs. praedor On Thursday 16 October 2003 12:11 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: > OK, thanks for the clarification...that said however, I am now concerned > that I "wasted" my money by purchasing 9.2. I expect the CDs to arrive by > the end of the month and expect the source to be included as my Nvidia card > is essentially useless without the official, compiled Nvidia driver (it is > wasted to own a 3D accelerated card and not be able to take advantage of 3D > acceleration by using the GPL driver - you might as well get a cheapo > 2D-only video card). > > Now let me preface this next with the statement that I am NOT ranting. I > am providing a very reasonable critique with the underlying implication on > how to fix it... > > I do NOT have broadband and it is not acceptable to tie up my phoneline for > the incredibly long period necessary to download a kernel source rpm (my > wife is on call, our phone service in the boonies is less than perfect). > If I just spent money to support Mandrake but get screwed without kernel > source, then I feel I've wasted my money. I buy the CDs for convenience, > to avoid useing exceedingly slow modem connections. What's the point of > spending money on something that is incomplete and difficult to complete? > I need the kernel source within minutes of completing the installation or > my video card is garbage - as is some of my other hardware which flat-out > requires kernel-source to build their drivers, which MUST be built, and > some of my software, which MUST be built. > > Experimental kernels are garbage, in the scheme of things, and should be > left for downloading only rather than be supplied on CDs. I would have to > say that the multimedia kernel is also pointless given that most people > don't need, nor use it. Cut this extraneous fluff to permit room for > rather critical packages. I am NOT even really ranting against > experimental kernels or the multimedia kernel, etc, but I am saying that > their importance is small relative to more important items like kernel > source (from which you can build your multimedia kernel if you wish and do > not want to download such a binary rpm). I am merely ranking things in > order of importance considering limited resources (CDs). If space is > limited, then you make cuts to cover the most ground with the most > efficiency. > > Now I hope I am wrong and that when my paid-for CDs come I find kernel > source on them. If not, then Mandrake is simply leaving a bad taste in my > mouth and causing what would otherwise be a simple install to become > problematic. POTENTIALLY (not certain as I do not have the CDs yet) more > problem than it is worth given all the factors I must consider. > > Get real here. There are a bunch of kernel rpms supplied that are just not > critical right off the bat (experimental, multimedia). Dump them if space > is a premium and have those who want them download them...why should this > minority of users who actually use these kernels receive more consideration > (given the CD limitations) than most users who do not use them? > > Now I do base this criticism upon what I am reading in the thread about > missing kernel source. Is this the limit for those downloading base iso's? > Or is it true for those of us who shell out for official CDs too? If it is > the former...I am less upset though I think my logic (ranking what is > really important vs what is nice) holds. > > praedor > > On Thursday 16 October 2003 11:47 am, Thomas Backlund wrote: > > Praedor Atrebates kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Torstai 16 Lokakuu > > 2003 > > > > 19:41): > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying > > > the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply > > > the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) > > > if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro > > > CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to > > > comply with GPL. > > > > It is supplied, just not on the CD:s, head over to the ftp mirrors and > > grab it there... > > > > and as far as GPL go, It has been stated before, you don't need to ship > > the sourcecode with your rpms, _only_ make them easy available, wich they > > are... - -- "Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way." - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jtmBaKr9sJYeTxgRAu3OAJ9KwU4cGtK0+dgqY8sg0y3qOxc2VgCfZFTG mo9Anxba38eDCtDABMertms= =paCd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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