I hate to argue this point about the 494 vs the 493 engines. I particularly respect all that Tony has done for F500. I also know that F500 is not a huge part of his business as he sells a lot of kart engines which has been his major business for many years.
I think it is important to look at the qualifying times from the Runoffs last year & you will see that the 493 with the added 50 lbs is absolutely equal to the 494. Admittedly Brian Novak turned the fastest race lap by less than .1 seconds with a 494, but that "super trick" car is now illegal. There were several 493s within .1 or .2 seconds in both qualifying & the race. This indicates to me that the 493 with 50 lbs & the 494 are extremely close from a competitive perspective. I agree that we need the availability of new engines & we do have this availability right now. Nothing is stopping anyone from purchasing a new 493. The only problem is that when you spend over $3000 you want to get something extra for it not just the same lap times. When we NEED a new engine we will buy a new 493. However why should we have to spend over $3000 dollars to upgrade to a 493 when we are currently competitive with our 4 year old 494. Think of it this way: If they remove the 50 lbs from the 493 EVERY front runner with a 494 will have to buy a 493 to keep up. I can't afford it. Can you? Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] rotax engine Actually, Tony only needs to see some interest in the 493 from this group. If he had about 5 requests for a 493, even if those requests were not for immediate delivery, he'd place the minimum order of 10 engines with Rotax and put the unneeded engines on the shelf for future delivery. He said that last year and I don't think he has changed his business plan. Tony wants to work with us on the 493 and do everything necessary to supply the need, but because of SCCA racing's additional 50# tagged to the engine, there just doesn't seem to be the interest. And, quite frankly, I can't blame the members not wanting to add 50# without the extra performance to offset that increased weight. A new 493 is no better then a good 494. All the testing, including the testing QRE has done, has proven that fact to us and that is why we are still running the 494 for as long as we can. Kinda short sighted I'll admit, but like everybody else, we don't race to be an "also ran" and until SCCA removes that 50#, we will continue to run 494s until there are no blocks left to put in a car. >From a manufacturer's viewpoint, when we build a new car we want to put a new engine in it. The customer should and does expect that. What's the availability of new engines? Can Q look a customer square in the eye and tell him he can put a 493 in the chassis but not to worry, that extra weight doesn't mean a thing? Not on your life! Sure we could wait out SCCA for 10 years or so until there just isn't any good 494 or 440 parts around (440 parts are already like hen's teeth), then everybody would have to go to the 493 and add the weight. Does anyone reading this want to wait that long for things to even out? By that time, the 493 will probably be history too :-):-(. >From what I'm reading in the last few days, some people are already having trouble finding those good, solid, and legal 494 blocks. Maybe people will start writing to the CRB in numbers so that SCCA gets the clear message. Then again, maybe not :-(. As many have said on this forum, it is just crazy to weigh more then your competitors without any additional engine performance and the CRB is hurting the future growth of this class with this foolishness. With all the stuff that our members have asked the CRB to do to the class recently, the removal of the 50# penalty for the 493 should have been the priority if we were really interested in maintaining and increasing our class. Making 440s more competitive is fine, but the Kawis and the 494s are the past, not the future. And, if we really are interested in growth, you're not going to find it in a junkyard! Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McAbee, Chuck Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] rotax engine Tony Murphy (661) 944-1624 is the Rotax aftermarket distributor for the US and has all the parts necessary to maintain the Rotax 493 and 494 engines. While SCCA may not like the sound of our engines....they do like the green of our money. The 494 engine has not been produced for production snowmobiles since about 1998. The 493 is currently being produced, however, Tony Murphy has to purchase a minimum of 10 engines from Rotax at a time; therefore Tony needs to have nearly 10 solid orders in order to minimize his financial risk in buying 10 engines at time. Sourcing parts for race cars....any race car, is not a matter of going down to NAPA and taking the parts down off the rack. Chuck McAbee SEDIV #16 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:27 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] rotax engine dan I also have been looking for an engine and having a hard time finding an engine 494.... who is selling these..... who is selling cylinders... why does f500 always get the dreags of the barrel and everything is hard to find and out dated.... wheels engines... parts...does the scca not like us??????? 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