Not negative....just realistic in dealing with SCCA about such policy matters...they can be as bad or worse than any government when they want to be and we as a class are not dealing with them from a position of strength.
Chuck McAbee SEDIV #16 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts That's kind of negitive Chuckie!!! Why don't we see if it floats??? The bottom line of any agreement between sanctioning bodies is usually $$$$$$ Chris R. "McAbee, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SCCA is bigger than just F500 and any procedures that they implement have to fit the needs for all the other classes. Yes drivers have gone from Karts to F1.....after they jumped through all the testing hoops, bells and whistles that the FIA wanted before granting a probationary 'Superlicense' that is required for F1. Every Sanctioning organization wants to have control over who they permit race, how they implement that control varies with some having more stringent requirements than others. I understand where you are trying to go Chris. I also understand the workings, at least to some extent, of SCCA Club Racing. All Sanctioning bodies have their requirements, even I expect, the various Kart organizations. While 'professional courtesy' agreements can be negotiated, in the motorsports world they are rare, especially in view of how integral Insurance is in today's world. While it is possible that SCCA could negotiate some form of license agreement with WKA, would the SCCA Insurers agree to having another Sanctioning body set the standard for someone to compete under the SCCA insurance. There is president, in that license issued by the Canadian equivalent of SCCA are accepted by SCCA. The Drivers School issues are much larger than just F500 and Karters. Chuck McAbee SEDIV #16 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts Chuck I understand that, but where I'm going (and I think everybody else got it) is that you want to make the class special, in that you would wave all of that bull~ and let an experienced karter jump right into a F500. And I have news for you, some F1 drivers come straight out of karts! Also, JPM will not get anything but a sign off from NASCAR, I happen to know the technical director. I totally agree about schools and track time, I took a pro school at Loudon for bikes, I took 3 seconds off my laps times at the next race. If you get a young driver, teens, maybe early 20's, coming out of karts and it's dad I want to go car racing. You have Formula BMW, if you have $5k a weekend to drop, you have Skippy, that's probably 1/2 that, or hey SCCA F500 will take your kart experience and you can race one of those. What do think the answer will be if it's not Bill Gates' kid??? Chris R. "McAbee, Chuck" wrote: Chris - SCCA does recognize Kart and for that matter other racing experience. The Driver School issues affect much more than just F500. When it comes to 'signing off' the Beginners Permit, SCCA want either their own people i.e.. Drivers School Instructors or personnel they have 'fanchised'(the Professional Schools) making the determination that someone is fit to race in SCCA. Provincial it is, however, it is no worse than other sanctioning bodies that try to ensure that their competitors have the skills and abilities to compete and not be a danger to themselves or others (JPM will have to demonstrate to NASCAR that he can handle their cars and their form of racing before being permitted to run Cup). Most Karter's that demonstrate the requisite skills, abilities and judgment will normally get signed off after the completion of one SCCA Drivers School. From experience Drivers School was the most track time and the most intense sessions that I have experienced in 18 years of racing. Karter's coming to a new racing venue in a new (to them) vehicle should enjoy the opportunity to get a great amount of track time for a nominal fee. Look at Drivers Schools, not as a millstone for Karters but and opportunity to get good test time for a reasonable track fee. Don't look at SCCA's requirements for obtaining a Competition License as being demeaning to Karters or any other persons with prior racing experience it is the only means SCCA has to limit their risk exposure in who is permitted to race under events Sanctioned by, and insured by SCCA; besides, for someone who really knows what the game is, it is cheap track time. Chuck McAbee SEDIV #16 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Reinhardt Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 5:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts If I can make a suggestion.... The problem isn't with getting older people involved, for the class to grow you need younger drivers coming in. It would be nice if there were a way to get a driver straight from karts into F500 without all the baloney involved with schools and blah, blah, blah.. If you could convince the SCCA to recognize karting and the skills involved to be acceptable starting point, and that the F500 class would be the place for them to start, then I think you would have a good ladder system which this country is lacking... Chris R. Sean McDonald wrote: I'm going to ad my .02 worth to Joe's comments. I think Joe's got some very good ideas here. There is no doubt that a good marketing campaign to the right audience can/would be very effective. I would be glad to participate in that kind of effort. I manage the advertising department of a daily newspaper in NW Washington and have been in advertising/marketing as a career for the past 17 years. I believe in it and have seen it work for businesses small and large (read budgets here) so I am confident that we can be successful as well. I'd be happy to lend any of my experience to process. And yes Joe, you're right about moving up. I'm working on it so hopefully be early next season I too will be a national class driver. Sean Sean G. McDonald Advertising Director Peninsula Daily News 360-417-3540 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 7:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts Classmates, I'll contribute towards a SportsCar ad and gladly buy/run an F5 slogan prominently on my car. I'd also gladly wear an F5 Slogan T-shirt and cap at every event I run. Somebody suggested another "Improvement Items list" targeted at increasing our National numbers. So far I think the list includes . . . 1) Regional drivers step-up to Nationals 2) Collection for a year-long SportsCar ad 3) F5 Slogan for decals, T-shirts, hats, etc. (also key to #2) 4) All active F5ers proactively recruit, especially at the track I added #4 and all it takes is all our commitment to talk to our fellow racers and let them know about the merits of our class. Here's some of the talking points . . . out of 32 classes (Nat & Reg only) F5 Ranks #1 in affordability and #7 in lap-times on most circuits, based on analysis from MyLaps.com and Results Sheets posted on Divisional websites. #1 also simply takes the commitment of our fellow Regional drivers . . . step up guys and gals . . . yes, gals, we have own F5 version of Danica Patrick right here in Texas, Jane Nixon, hopefully making her way to National License over the next season. #2 simply takes all our monetary commitments and somebody to coordinate. Cory, would you volunteer to coordinate? All we need is the costs from Sportscar for the different size and locations of ads and then a collection. A simple spreadsheet can provide the tracking & record. #3 will take a slogan submission period, followed by voting on them, in parallel with monetary commitments to buy decals/T-Shirts/Hats, etc. (to cover costs) followed by printing/production of items. I'll vounteer to collect slogan submissions and coordinate the vote - so start them coming . .. . let's hear your best slogans - winner of the slogan contest will get a free decal/T-shirt/Hat, or whatever we end up printing. Also, let me know your commitment to buy decals, T-shirts, Baseball caps . . . what we order will depend on the quantity desired of each - so again, the more we each commit to, the more we'll all have access to in promoting our class. I always buy/keep racing T-shirts and hats in my trailer to give to my volunteer crew . . . why not do the same and promote our class at the same time. Anyone out there have access to a quality printing business that would throw us a great deal (near cost) for these items? I'll try to add another page to the F5 Improvements Site for submission & voting on this stuff . . . but that's very time consuming and I'm swamped at work. I may end-up just doing it via E-mail and a spreadsheet, so don't wait . . . reply with your slogan ideas and commitments. Lastly, hit the list with any more class promotion ideas to add to these four. We've got the greatest class in SCCA . . . let's stop talking/writing about this stuff and JUST DO IT !!! Thanks. Shiny Side Up, Joe Palmer TX Novakar #56 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory McLeod" To: Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts > A slogan is a great idea. How about something like > > "F500 - Win the Runoffs for $10,000" > > I mean, is there another class where you buy a used car for $10,000 and win national races? This slogan may be too esoteric to attract new people to the SCCA, but I think it would work for people who are familiar with SCCA and trying to decide whether they can afford to club race, or looking for a class, or sick of dumping tons of money into engine rebuilds, shock dynos, illegal Spec Miata engines, etc. I also think it targets the type of racer that would be attracted to F500 (as accurately described in several recent posts). I would be willing to help fund a 12 month ad in the SportsCar classifieds if a few other will join me. > > Please feel free to reply with feedback to my proposed slogan. You won't hurt my feelings. > > Cory > > PS - I will be back next year adding to the car count! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why don't we come up with some sort of slogan that appears on all of our cars. It may sound corny but may get some attention. "Eats F. Fords for breakfast at 1/3 the price" .....Maybe something that refers to its reliability too. Coming from nearly 15 years in G and F prod I can tell you that this is the class for me. I can actually relax and eat now at the races. If we all put our heads together I believe we can come up with a promotion for our class and increase the numbers and interest. COST is a factor. I've never gone so fast for so little money. Tom Manalio, Ocala, FL > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay I've been trying to get local intrest in the f500 in Louisiana without much success.. The people who see the cars really like them but can't seem to reach enough people... I've even bought extra cars and picked up most fees and still having problems finding people to drive them. Any suggestions Rory > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! 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