Rob, there's a kart track up near Seatle or maybe BC, that has old F440 rentals. Do you think somebody could do a demo on a lunch break on one of these tracks? Chris R.
Rob Howden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sprint kart tracks are mainly in FLA, and there's a hug winter series for that as well as a good regular season. > > Chris R. The Florida Winter Tour is massive with three weekends, one each in January, February and March. Likely 200 drivers at each one. This would be an excellent place for an F500 display. Maybe 4-5 cars and a info station. Drivers wear team shirts, look pro, and talk to the drivers and their parents. I'd bring a rack and a few boxes of mags for you. I'll be at all three announcing the events. Take care, Rob Howden Publisher / Editor-in Chief - ekartingnews.com - Super Kart Illustrated - eformulacarnews.com - FormulaCar Magazine Ph: 519-624-2003 Fax: 519-624-0053 P.O. Box 580 Cambridge, Ontario Canada N1R 5W1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Reinhardt" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts > David, the largest region for kart road racing in the country is in the south east. The world karting headquarters is nest to Lowe's speedway. www.worldkarting.com along with the WKA schedule there's another org called Big South Road Racing Series run out of Bama, and runs throughout the south including Barber, www.bigsouthroadracing.com > Sprint kart tracks are mainly in FLA, and there's a hug winter series for that as well as a good regular season. > > Chris R. > > david wilson wrote: > most karters (@ least in the southeast) are oval racers & when they move up, they're going to legend cars & baby grands - winning cars are buyable @ $8-$12k - you can run them anywhere in the usa every week for a $25-$35 dollar entry fee - even win some money - no driving school - no license - absolutely bulletproof - why would anyone but a dyedinthewool road racer choose F500 over a legend or baby grand? .................davidwilson > > > I disagree, there's plenty of families that have spend good money > > chasing a kart series, who could spend just as much doing F500. > > There's no TV coverage for any of the kart series that I know of, > > at least there is for the F500 at the run offs. OK dare I say it, > > there's probably the best TV coverage and PR for the buck would > > be......Spec Miata. > > Again, if we could establish a conduit from karting directly into > > F500, then you would lots of karter's coming in. Besides, in order > > to jump start the class, you need young meat... > > > > Chris R. > > > > Jay Novak wrote: > > Steve, you have said it very well. F500 will never be a feeder > > class. The top karting guys with any $$$ jump to something that > > gets them PR. > > > > > > Thanks ... Jay Novak > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:f500- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve K. > > Thompson Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:29 AM To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts > > > > I'm probably going to get flamed like there's no tomorrow for this > > but, FWIW, I think the karting magazines may not be the best place > > for the majority of the advertising effort, although any effort is > > better than none. I think most serious karters, especially those > > looking to make money in racing which is pretty much most of them, > > would view F500 as a sidestep at best. F500 really does not offer a > > lot of value on the racing ladder. Which is not to say it is not > > the best bang for the buck competition-wise (if the fields were > > anywhere near the size they should be). Reasons why F500 is not on > > the 'ladder'. > > > > 1. Suspension. Generally those looking to progress from karting > > into larger formulae are heavy on car control, racecraft and > > aggression and light on car setup knowledge. Rubber pucks and 4 > > link suspensions have very little application on the higher rungs > > on the racing ladder. And I think the old Minardi cars used pivot > > torque for damping but they were about the only ones. > > > > 2. Solid Axle. Not too much more to say about this one except for > > the fact that you don't see a whole lot of them in formula racing. > > > > 3. Transmission. Many 'serious' racers think shifting makes a car > > faster and is necessary to bond with the car. We know it's more of > > a barrier to going fast but that's not the general opinion. Either > > way it is an essential skill for racing in the higher formulas, if > > not at the highest levels. Gearing is a very important aspect of > > car setup that F500 also has little application to. Not too many > > other race cars on the planet worry about clutch weights or what > > helix is in the secondary. > > > > 4. Engine. 2 stroke. Not that that's bad or should be a downside > > but it doesn't have much application at other levels. > > > > It's for these reasons I don't think we should present ourselves as > > a ladder formula. There isn't much for a karter to learn that will > > apply later on. I do think we should present ourselves as what we > > are, the best mixture of speed, simplicity, reliability and cost. > > We'll get a lot more response from more recreation oriented > > magazines like Grass Roots motorsports. We can offer the purity of > > response of a formula car and the speed of a FF for the price of an > > IT car. A decent FF engine costs 6-10k and a decent FC engine is > > about 12-14k complete. We cost 2k. And a lot of the national FC > > crowd are sending their heads out between races to be freshened. > > These are the major advantages of F500 and the reason most of us > > are probably racing it. > > > > If we wanted to be part of the ladder we would probably need to > > address changing some of the major aspects of the formula. Springs, > > shocks and A/R bars would be a good start but that's probably > > another discussion. > > > > How about this for a slogan? "F500: A complete car that eats FFs > > for less than the price of their engines"? > > > > CarbonX on. > > > > Steve > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:f500- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Palmer Sent: > >> Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: > >> [F500] racing car counts > >> > >> > >> Marshall and list, > >> > >> I think the Karting rags idea is a very good one and agree that it > >> > > might > >> be > >> the best audience, or at least one of the best, for us to reach > >> out > >> > > to. > >> I've added it to my "project list" for next steps once we've > >> nailed > >> > > down > >> our > >> "message", slogan, etc. . . . which is coming along slowly since > >> I've > >> > > only > >> received about three from the list. C'mon guys & gals, let's see > >> your creativity . . . send me some slogans. I'll have a list out > >> in about > >> > > a > >> week > >> for a vote. > >> > >> I also think Mr. Schultz's comments about "Not Waiting" for the > >> F5 community > >> on some of this stuff is spot-on! Kinda goes along with my "Just > >> Do > >> > > It" > >> motto . . . write some articles and send 'em out to ALL the rags > >> we've mentioned in this thread (I have, but no "takers" yet)! > >> Reach out to > >> > > the > >> Karters in your area, talk to the other SCCAers who are struggling > >> > > with > >> budget, do whatever it takes to further your own cause and that > >> of our class! > >> > >> Obviously, we all don't have the experience, depth, contacts, > >> > > know-how, > >> and > >> drive of Schultz Racing. But we all have more than the Karters or > >> > > other > >> interested parties who know next to nothing about our cars/class. > >> If every > >> one of us made it a goal to promote our class in at least one way > >> over > >> > > the > >> next year, I think we'd easily solve our problem and jump way up > >> > > Stan's > >> list. > >> > >> Shiny Side Up, > >> Joe Palmer > >> TX Novakar #56 > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:49 AM > >> Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts > >> > >> > >>> GRM might reach a lot of potential racers, but I'd bet that the > >>> vast majority of their readership is tin-top drivers who are > >>> doing Solo > >>> > > II. > >> They will > >>> NOT understand the difference between SM and F500 at a > >>> relatively > >>> > >> similar > >>> apparent cost. (Note that I said 'apparent' - this is about > >>> > >> perception, > >> not > >>> reality.) This might get a few guys to come out and kick tires, > >>> > > but I > >> wouldn't > >>> bet the future of F500 on the GRM readers who have been reading > >>> > >> articles > >>> focused on semi-race-prepped Miatas, spitfires, RX7s, and BMWs. > >>> > >>> What about the karting mags? If you're interested in reaching > >>> young > >>> > >> karters > >>> looking for their next step, then you need to advertise in the > >>> > >> publications > >>> that they read. These seem to be fairly accessible, as well. > >>> > >>> Also, what about 'Road & Track' or 'AutoWeek'? Their readership > >>> is > >>> > >> made > >> up > >>> of frustrated street car polishers and wannabes......seems like > >>> > > fertile > >>> ground to me. > >>> > >>> IMNSHO, growth of an entry-level class needs to come from > >>> people who > >>> > > are > >>> currently sitting on the couch or competing in 'lower formulae', > >>> > > i.e. > >> karts, not > >>> those who are already SCCA competitors doing something > >>> different. > >>> > >>> Thoughts? > >>> > >>> MM > >>> > >>> In a message dated 7/24/2006 5:24:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight > >>> Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> There's > >>> a source of new blood! > >>> > >>> Gene near Seattle > >>> > >>> > >>> On 7/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >>>> Since our cars are snowmobiles on wheels, how about an ad > >>>> with a > >>>> > >> picture > >>>> of a guy fully suited on a snowmobile during the summer. > >>>> Caption > >>>> > > the > >>>> picture "What did you do this summer?". 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