A demo during the Winter Tour...ya, I doubt that would be a problem? The F500 group would need to work with Bill Wright, the promoter, to build a relationship.
Take care, Rob Howden Publisher / Editor-in Chief - ekartingnews.com - Super Kart Illustrated - eformulacarnews.com - FormulaCar Magazine Ph: 519-624-2003 Fax: 519-624-0053 P.O. Box 580 Cambridge, Ontario Canada N1R 5W1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Reinhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts > Rob, there's a kart track up near Seatle or maybe BC, that has old F440 rentals. Do you think somebody could do a demo on a lunch break on one of these tracks? > > Chris R. > > Rob Howden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sprint kart tracks are mainly in FLA, and there's a hug winter series > for that as well as a good regular season. > > > > Chris R. > > The Florida Winter Tour is massive with three weekends, one each in January, > February and March. Likely 200 drivers at each one. This would be an > excellent place for an F500 display. Maybe 4-5 cars and a info station. > Drivers wear team shirts, look pro, and talk to the drivers and their > parents. I'd bring a rack and a few boxes of mags for you. I'll be at all > three announcing the events. > > Take care, > > Rob Howden > Publisher / Editor-in Chief > - ekartingnews.com > - Super Kart Illustrated > - eformulacarnews.com > - FormulaCar Magazine > Ph: 519-624-2003 > Fax: 519-624-0053 > P.O. Box 580 > Cambridge, Ontario > Canada N1R 5W1 > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Reinhardt" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:46 PM > Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts > > > > David, the largest region for kart road racing in the country is in the > south east. The world karting headquarters is nest to Lowe's speedway. > www.worldkarting.com along with the WKA schedule there's another org called > Big South Road Racing Series run out of Bama, and runs throughout the south > including Barber, www.bigsouthroadracing.com > > Sprint kart tracks are mainly in FLA, and there's a hug winter series > for that as well as a good regular season. > > > > Chris R. > > > > david wilson wrote: > > most karters (@ least in the southeast) are oval racers & when they move > up, they're going to legend cars & baby grands - winning cars are buyable @ > $8-$12k - you can run them anywhere in the usa every week for a $25-$35 > dollar entry fee - even win some money - no driving school - no license - > absolutely bulletproof - why would anyone but a dyedinthewool road racer > choose F500 over a legend or baby grand? .................davidwilson > > > > > I disagree, there's plenty of families that have spend good money > > > chasing a kart series, who could spend just as much doing F500. > > > There's no TV coverage for any of the kart series that I know of, > > > at least there is for the F500 at the run offs. OK dare I say it, > > > there's probably the best TV coverage and PR for the buck would > > > be......Spec Miata. > > > Again, if we could establish a conduit from karting directly into > > > F500, then you would lots of karter's coming in. Besides, in order > > > to jump start the class, you need young meat... > > > > > > Chris R. > > > > > > Jay Novak wrote: > > > Steve, you have said it very well. F500 will never be a feeder > > > class. The top karting guys with any $$$ jump to something that > > > gets them PR. > > > > > > > > > Thanks ... Jay Novak > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:f500- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve K. > > > Thompson Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 8:29 AM To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: [F500] racing car counts > > > > > > I'm probably going to get flamed like there's no tomorrow for this > > > but, FWIW, I think the karting magazines may not be the best place > > > for the majority of the advertising effort, although any effort is > > > better than none. I think most serious karters, especially those > > > looking to make money in racing which is pretty much most of them, > > > would view F500 as a sidestep at best. F500 really does not offer a > > > lot of value on the racing ladder. Which is not to say it is not > > > the best bang for the buck competition-wise (if the fields were > > > anywhere near the size they should be). Reasons why F500 is not on > > > the 'ladder'. > > > > > > 1. Suspension. Generally those looking to progress from karting > > > into larger formulae are heavy on car control, racecraft and > > > aggression and light on car setup knowledge. Rubber pucks and 4 > > > link suspensions have very little application on the higher rungs > > > on the racing ladder. And I think the old Minardi cars used pivot > > > torque for damping but they were about the only ones. > > > > > > 2. Solid Axle. Not too much more to say about this one except for > > > the fact that you don't see a whole lot of them in formula racing. > > > > > > 3. Transmission. Many 'serious' racers think shifting makes a car > > > faster and is necessary to bond with the car. We know it's more of > > > a barrier to going fast but that's not the general opinion. Either > > > way it is an essential skill for racing in the higher formulas, if > > > not at the highest levels. Gearing is a very important aspect of > > > car setup that F500 also has little application to. Not too many > > > other race cars on the planet worry about clutch weights or what > > > helix is in the secondary. > > > > > > 4. Engine. 2 stroke. Not that that's bad or should be a downside > > > but it doesn't have much application at other levels. > > > > > > It's for these reasons I don't think we should present ourselves as > > > a ladder formula. There isn't much for a karter to learn that will > > > apply later on. I do think we should present ourselves as what we > > > are, the best mixture of speed, simplicity, reliability and cost. > > > We'll get a lot more response from more recreation oriented > > > magazines like Grass Roots motorsports. We can offer the purity of > > > response of a formula car and the speed of a FF for the price of an > > > IT car. A decent FF engine costs 6-10k and a decent FC engine is > > > about 12-14k complete. We cost 2k. And a lot of the national FC > > > crowd are sending their heads out between races to be freshened. > > > These are the major advantages of F500 and the reason most of us > > > are probably racing it. > > > > > > If we wanted to be part of the ladder we would probably need to > > > address changing some of the major aspects of the formula. Springs, > > > shocks and A/R bars would be a good start but that's probably > > > another discussion. > > > > > > How about this for a slogan? "F500: A complete car that eats FFs > > > for less than the price of their engines"? > > > > > > CarbonX on. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:f500- > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Palmer Sent: > > >> Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: > > >> [F500] racing car counts > > >> > > >> > > >> Marshall and list, > > >> > > >> I think the Karting rags idea is a very good one and agree that it > > >> > > > might > > >> be > > >> the best audience, or at least one of the best, for us to reach > > >> out > > >> > > > to. > > >> I've added it to my "project list" for next steps once we've > > >> nailed > > >> > > > down > > >> our > > >> "message", slogan, etc. . . . which is coming along slowly since > > >> I've > > >> > > > only > > >> received about three from the list. C'mon guys & gals, let's see > > >> your creativity . . . send me some slogans. I'll have a list out > > >> in about > > >> > > > a > > >> week > > >> for a vote. > > >> > > >> I also think Mr. Schultz's comments about "Not Waiting" for the > > >> F5 community > > >> on some of this stuff is spot-on! Kinda goes along with my "Just > > >> Do > > >> > > > It" > > >> motto . . . write some articles and send 'em out to ALL the rags > > >> we've mentioned in this thread (I have, but no "takers" yet)! > > >> Reach out to > > >> > > > the > > >> Karters in your area, talk to the other SCCAers who are struggling > > >> > > > with > > >> budget, do whatever it takes to further your own cause and that > > >> of our class! > > >> > > >> Obviously, we all don't have the experience, depth, contacts, > > >> > > > know-how, > > >> and > > >> drive of Schultz Racing. But we all have more than the Karters or > > >> > > > other > > >> interested parties who know next to nothing about our cars/class. > > >> If every > > >> one of us made it a goal to promote our class in at least one way > > >> over > > >> > > > the > > >> next year, I think we'd easily solve our problem and jump way up > > >> > > > Stan's > > >> list. > > >> > > >> Shiny Side Up, > > >> Joe Palmer > > >> TX Novakar #56 > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:49 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [F500] racing car counts > > >> > > >> > > >>> GRM might reach a lot of potential racers, but I'd bet that the > > >>> vast majority of their readership is tin-top drivers who are > > >>> doing Solo > > >>> > > > II. > > >> They will > > >>> NOT understand the difference between SM and F500 at a > > >>> relatively > > >>> > > >> similar > > >>> apparent cost. (Note that I said 'apparent' - this is about > > >>> > > >> perception, > > >> not > > >>> reality.) This might get a few guys to come out and kick tires, > > >>> > > > but I > > >> wouldn't > > >>> bet the future of F500 on the GRM readers who have been reading > > >>> > > >> articles > > >>> focused on semi-race-prepped Miatas, spitfires, RX7s, and BMWs. > > >>> > > >>> What about the karting mags? If you're interested in reaching > > >>> young > > >>> > > >> karters > > >>> looking for their next step, then you need to advertise in the > > >>> > > >> publications > > >>> that they read. These seem to be fairly accessible, as well. > > >>> > > >>> Also, what about 'Road & Track' or 'AutoWeek'? Their readership > > >>> is > > >>> > > >> made > > >> up > > >>> of frustrated street car polishers and wannabes......seems like > > >>> > > > fertile > > >>> ground to me. > > >>> > > >>> IMNSHO, growth of an entry-level class needs to come from > > >>> people who > > >>> > > > are > > >>> currently sitting on the couch or competing in 'lower formulae', > > >>> > > > i.e. > > >> karts, not > > >>> those who are already SCCA competitors doing something > > >>> different. > > >>> > > >>> Thoughts? > > >>> > > >>> MM > > >>> > > >>> In a message dated 7/24/2006 5:24:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight > > >>> Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> There's > > >>> a source of new blood! > > >>> > > >>> Gene near Seattle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 7/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Since our cars are snowmobiles on wheels, how about an ad > > >>>> with a > > >>>> > > >> picture > > >>>> of a guy fully suited on a snowmobile during the summer. > > >>>> Caption > > >>>> > > > the > > >>>> picture "What did you do this summer?". 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