And what keeps everyone honest with our motors? Chris Reinhardt wrote:
> We discussed this option already. The problem is keeping everybody honest, > it's pretty easy to cut open a shock and re-do it... > > CR > >John Whitling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, another option would be have a simple spec shock like these >guys have and use pucks for springing right on the shaft, sort of like >our 3" max puck rule. That would allow for lots of tunability, keep >costs very low, and maintain ties to our existing rules of utilizing >pucks. Very cheap to do to. These shocks are dirt cheap, and available >everywhere. JC Whitney has them for like $30 each. > >Alternatively Gabrial also makes a booster spring setup that is a true >coil over. I don't know if the spring diameter is the 2" standard size, >but we can easily find that out. I imagine that it is. Check it out .. >http://www.jcwhitney.com/wcsstore/jcwhitney/images/imagecache/G_16170G_CL_1.jpg > >This kind of setup wouldn't drive up car costs at all. Maybe we would >legalize an entire model line of a type of shock like this so different >lengths, etc would just involve buying a different model of shock. No >internal shock work would be permitted. This is a pretty exciting >compromise between those that want $200 a corner units versus those that >want to minimize the expense but still have a shock. > >John Whitling wrote: > > > >>Thanks for the link, Eric. It's interesting and worth considering how >>they got around expensive shocks with their shock rule. I advise >>everyone to read the shock rule for these inexpensive cars so I'm >>pasting it below .. >> >>The *COILON*Ó units consist of a Dodge Dakota Gabriel rear shock (gas >>bag type), a 3/8 rod end (which screws onto the pin end of the shock), >>the shock washers provided with the shock, spacer washers, one >>industrial die spring and two industrial die spring cups. The result is >>a compact inexpensive unit (a spring ON top of a coil) that rivals the >>big guys in performance and beats the heck out of all of them in terms >>of price. Industrial die springs are available from any number of >>industrial supply and mail order shops in rates from 70 to 700 pounds >>and can be mixed and matched to fine tune your racer between $5 and $20 >>each. The only real drawback here is the lack of adjustable compression >>and rebound rates available in all-out racing shocks. >> >> >> >>Eric Dean wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>http://www.formulaindyracing.com/Predator01.htm >>> >>>Interesting reading >>> >>>EWD >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce >>>Kapraszewski >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:35 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam >>> >>>Nothing wrong with wings Ed. In fact, I like winged things. Take Mini-Indy >>>for >>>example. Mini-Indy cars are modified F5 cars that have wings. In fact, one >>>could buy a Predator Mini-Indy car in kit form for under $10k. Just add a >>>600cc motorcycle engine with car kit and you'd have a F5 car with wings, >>>coil >>>over shocks, and ARB for less than the cost of a ready-to-race F5 car. >>>...How'd dey doo dat? >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ---- >>>From: edward capullo >>> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 >>>8:25:52 PM >>>Subject: Re: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam >>> >>> >>>Bruce >>>My F33A Beech >>>Bonanza could land at 52mph (good for those slow corners) and >>>had a straight >>>line speed of 170KTs (195.5mph) which is a hell of a lot >>>faster than any F500 >>>or S2000 I've ever driven. >>>What's wrong with wings..as a matter of fact we can >>>now buy those soon to be >>>worthless F1000 >>>homebuilts (read non-Stohr) put our >>>494/493 Rotaxes in them and be >>>................F500!!!! >>>Captain Eddie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Bruce Kapraszewski >>>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>>To: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>[email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Subject: Re: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam >>>>Date: Mon, 30 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Oct 2006 16:44:51 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>You're always looking for new ways to use >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>that pilots license, aren't you? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>;-) >>>>----- Original Message ---- >>>>From: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>edward capullo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>To: >>>>[email protected] >>>>Sent: Monday, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>October 30, 2006 3:42:45 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Subject: RE: [F500] >>>>Puck vs Shocks ad nauseam >>>> >>>> >>>>Mark >>>> >>>>You forgot Wings so we can run with all the >>>>other seven wings and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>things >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>classes and confuse every newcomer who attends >>>>the races. >>>>Ed C. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "Lindsey, Mark" >>>>>Reply-To: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>[email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>To: >>>>>Subject: RE: [F500] Puck vs Shocks ad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>nauseam >>>> >>>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:24:06 -0500 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>While we are at it, can we >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>add the following? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Sway bars? (Makes sense as almost all other >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>shocked cars have them.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Floating rear axle with differential? (Just to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>make >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>it easier to push >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>on asphalt.) >>>>>Traction control? (Need it for all >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>additional speed we are going to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>have.) >>>>>Diesel version motor? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>(Works for >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>the ALMS TDI cars. It's different >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>just like the 2 stroke.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Fuel injection- >>>>(no more jetting!) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Mark S. Lindsey, AIA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Principal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Baskervill >>>>>architecture + engineering + interior design >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>804 343 1010 P.O. Box >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>400 Ship to or visit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>fax 343 0909 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>Richmond, VA 101 S 15th >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>St >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>baskervill.com 23218 . 0400 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>Ste 200 . 23219 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>ask + listen + >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>create >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of >>jwhit.vcf] >> >> > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of >jwhit.vcf] > > > >--------------------------------- >Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. 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