Gary,
Not trying to get in a pissing match, but I was only relaying what your
Dad had told me this summer. He said that although it technically wasnt
a 4 link (because of the hairpin style links) it behaved the same as a 4
link and that he had put them in the car himself. Also said that Red
Devil didnt do 4 link cars until about 1998 , or so. I have not done the
4 link on mine yet, but plan on doing it soon. My only has about 10
projects lined up for it right now, including straightening the bent
front end. My car would do good on a 1/4 mile oval the way it is right
now ;)
Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi
>>> GaryK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/18/06 3:34 PM >>>
WRONG! :-)
Our car is not a 4 link, nor has it ever had a 4 link. What you see is
just the trailing arms that are mounted above and below the rear axle
and
then those 2 rods go to a plate which has 1 connector connecting it to
the
frame.
The rear end arrangement has been modified by my dad over several years
and
he looked at the other cars in the class and took those arrangements and
made what we use today. And the first time we took it out with those
changes we had no idea what to expect. We just hoped it would work
better
than what we had. And it did. We then fine tuned the settings and have
been running it ever since, with minor changes here and there, as we
learn
the car more and got more comfortable in it.
Every car has it's own quirks, what works on one may not work on someone
else's. Seat time and learning the cars capabilities and limits are
very
important with these cars.
Gary Kramar
1999 and 2006 Solo Champion
At 12:58 AM 11/17/2006, Jan Schmidt wrote:
>Chris,
>I understand that you dont want to mickey mouse a race car, however,
>these cars are the simplest, crudest race cars on the planet. This
stuff
>is not rocket science. If you get the wrong angle or ratio, you re-make
>the part ormodify it. Secondly, I dont know what type of weird axle you
>have. Mine is 1 piece solid steel rod (I think it is 1 inch if memory
>serves). On my car it will be a cake walk, not sure about yours. And
>yes, a car that is already converted to 4 link is certainly worth more,
>even if it is an old car. By the way, I believe that this years
National
>Solo Champ car was converted to 4 link by the owner at home with
>inexpensive home-made parts (just like I was talking about in my
>previous posting).
>Bill Schmidt RD Kawi
>
> >>> Chris Reinhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/16/06 12:59 PM >>>
> Bill, talk to Q, but I think if you mckey mouse the 4 link together,
>you defeat the purpose. Unless the rockers and bellcranks are of the
>correct ratios, along with the angles of the push rods and shocks,
>you'll have something different. The axle tube is not centered on the
>axle, it's short on the drive side, so the axle, shims, brake and drive
>hubs, wheel hubs, either have to be correct, or compensate for
>everything, again, defeating the purpose.
> It's not hard or expensive to put a "4 link" in there, but if you
>want it right....
> I hear yah, $2k on a $2.5k car, but a decent even converted car
would
>be $6-$8k.
>
>
> CR
>
>Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris,
>I dont know about your car, but when I get around to doing mine I will
>re-use as much as is possible. I will re-use shock cannisters, rockers
>and bellcranks (If I need new ones, they wont be billet,just plain old
>steel), axle tube (why on earth would you need a new axle?????or a new
>tube). The $300 I was talking about involved: bearing flanges, radius
>rods, rod ends and misc tubing to connect it to the frame, and of
course
>a panhard rod. I am willing to bet I can do it and still have the car
>lose 10 to 20 lbs of weight. Yes , I am just like the other guy that
>posted, not puting a $2000 to $2500 4 link on my $2500 car. Would I put
>one on a $7500 car, hell yes! If it was about 7 years newer, I
certainly
>would.
>Bill schmidt 88 Red Devil Kawi
>
> >>> Chris Reinhardt 11/16/06 6:28 AM >>>
>The shocks are over $100 a piece, there's billet rockers and
>bellcranks, the tube the axle sits in is a couple hundred, the axle
>itself is $100 and change, hubs, drive and brake hubs, disk, caliper,
>radius rods and rod ends, and knowing it was welded in
>straight....pricelss..
>
>It adds up pretty quick, I'm doing one myself, if mine wasn't custom,
>I would had Mike do it and it would have done already...
>
>CR
>
>Jan Schmidt wrote:
>I bet you could do your own for about $300 in materials.
>Bill Schmidt 88 red devil kawi
>
> >>> Lee Tilton 11/15/06 4:47 PM >>>
>Rory,
>
>I talked to Mike at Quadrini today about the rear upgrade. He said it
is
>
>about $2k to put one of his setups in. I really need to see one before
I
>
>go any farther. Remember, my car is only for autox and for my son
>(apprentice mechanic at Chrysler) to mess with for learning. I'm not
>sure I wnat to invest that kind of $ since we have no intention of
doing
>
>anything more than playing with the car.
>
>
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [F500] Zink rear suspension upgrade?
> > From:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date:
> > Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:46:34 -0500
> > To:
> > [email protected]
> >
> > To:
> > [email protected]
> >
> >
> >lee if you want to up grade your rearend I have a red deviel that
needs
>up grading also If we can get together I may be intrested in doing both
>at the same time. share cost and time. should go fast fortwo of us
>doing it vs just one rory
>
>
>
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