Is there a company that builds F500 cars brand new? I am new to F500. Thanks,
Jacob ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:20:29 PM Subject: F500 Digest, Vol 47, Issue 55 Send F500 mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of F500 digest..." =============================================== You may change your F500 digest format and options or unsubscribe by visiting: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 =============================================== ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. RE: Looking for Club race car (edward capullo) 2. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (Chuck Voboril) 3. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 4. Re: Re: FM autocrosser alert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 5. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (Art) 6. RE: Looking for Club race car (CJ McAbee) From: "edward capullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [email protected] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:30:56 -0500 Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: RE: [F500] Looking for Club race car Message: 1 CJ What are looking to spend? There are some good cars on the F500 site. Ed Capullo >From: CJ McAbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [F500] Looking for Club race car >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 -0800 (PST) > >I have sold my Dads old 1986 Red Devil solo only car to a guy in Kentucky. >So that leaves me racecar less. I'm in the need of a project car or race >ready car. It really doesn't matter what condition the car is in it just >needs to have the legal roll bars in it and 80 inch wheelbase. I know there >are people out there that have cars out there that just will sit and never >get used. So if there is anyone out there that has a car or knows of >someone that has a car that you have no use for let me know. My plan is to >go club racing and see if I cant beat my Dad. > > CJ McAbee ( Chuck's son) > Kansas Region > > >--------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and moreĀ .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [email protected] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:34:51 -0700 Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Message: 2 BTW, the MAC did use several engine shops for reference. This still admittedly may be a small sample statisically. But don't go asking simply what is possible from 1600cc or 1915 cc, because there is more to making HP in these motors than just displacement. If any F500 people disagree with the Solo-Vee allowances, I strongly suggest making a copy of the Solo 2 and GCR FV rules that still apply along with the proposal allowances and have at it with as many engine builders as you wish. The 1915cc low compression, no valve work option just happens to be a very cheap way to have a flexible motor to quell CVT envy as well as giivng a slight bump in peak HP. Chuck >From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:35:02 -0700 > >Some things to consider: > >The owner of one F500 has supposedly told others that he has 100 HP. That >was passed along to members of the SEB. > >Adding 100 pounds to F500 is the first thing that occurrs to some people >instead of allowing any modifications to the Solo-vees. > >However, there is NO scientific evidence that adding 100 pounds to a F500 >would slow it down enough, if at all, given the R25A compound at low >Nationals temperatures. The possible 20-30% greater grip from a hotter >tire might easily overcome the added weight. > > > >If speeding up Solo-vee works better than expected, there will be then be >an obvious data point to use to take something back or move them to another >class. > > > >On VW HP figures-there are a lot of VW motor builders to poll. > >Have at it! > >If one is careful to explain exactly what ALL of the limitations and >specifications are for a particular solo vee motor, one should get general >agreement on HP among engine builders. > >Suggestion: Write polite letters backed up with as much factual info as >possible. > > >Chuck Voboril > > > > > >>From: "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: <[email protected]> >>Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! >>Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:47:32 -0500 >> >>Hi Bob, >> >> >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are >>buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. >> >>Yes, that is correct. But in Solo you are not buying a FV, you're buying a >>VW 1600 cc VW powered Vee bastardized into a Solo Vee and running against >>a >>much more modern (even without a suspension), smaller, lighter, GCR >>regulated, formula car. Big difference. As I said in an earlier post, you >>can't have parity in any class if one of the cars is an antique and the >>other utilizes current technology and design as well as having other >>attributes that make it a very good Solo car. >> >>If you could combine them, you'd see FVs/FSTs and F500s in the same class. >>We see enough of that disaster when they combine those cars in the same >>run >>group in racing. >> >>We have to try and update the Solo Vee and if you can point to the results >>that show the Solo Vees to be knocking at the door of the well prepared >>F500s at Nationals/Tours in the past 4 or 5 years, it must have been >>something we missed :-). >> >> >> >Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was >>putting out 125hp, >> >>Every professional VW engine builder that we had talked to in the past >>about >>updating the 1600 engine would laugh at that figure for a currently legal >>1600 engine in F Mod. Is there an outside chance that HP figure would be >>available, yes it is possible, but it would be nothing more then a grenade >>that would last a few minutes of run time and then explode in a crowd >>pleasing display :-). Bottom line Bob, somebody told you MacDonald's car >>was >>making that much HP. Without some dyno sheets to back that up, it's only >>good bench racing talk :-). >> >>But if you think that the proposals for the Vees are so "unreal", then may >>I >>suggest that you put the bike back in the garage, make your wife happy, >>and >>go out and purchase a Solo Vee and stay in F Mod :-). We don't care what >>you >>drive, we just like having you in the class :-). >> >>Art >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of fmod >>Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:38 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! >> >>Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are >>buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. The changes that >>were >>mentioned are unreal. The ones who do do this are again remaking the >>SuperV. It will cost a lot of money and they still have swingarm >>rearends. >>I will make a guess that after a few years if a few build these cars they >>will be runing C-Mod times and will get moved to C-Mod. If that were to >>happen, we as F440 and F500 owners should remind the SCCA that our cars >>are >>GCR Legal formula cars and make F-Mod for F440/F500 cars period! Also >>having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was putting >>out 125hp, I don't see why a 1900cc dual port VW engine can't produce >>140hp >>and I would bet that 60% or more of its power will come in at about 2500 >>to >>3000 rpm's! >> >>I guess I am sure glad I am cutting back on Solo II for a while and riding >>my new Suzuki! >> >>BobbyJ >>F-Mod NER SCCA >>25 year member! >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "GaryK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:28 PM >>Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! >> >> >> > The real question is... >> > >> > Who is going to makes these changes, updates, to their Solo Vee's? Not >> > everyone, just a few I believe. >> > >> > Remember, these changes are not legal for this year, but could be for >>next >> >> > year as they are looking for member comment on them right now. >> > >> > And I agree with Art, there is no reason they can't join the 21st >>century. >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > >> > At 07:41 AM 2/22/2007, Art wrote: >> >> >What the hell is the MAC thinking on this thing????????? >> >> >> >>Obviously John, much differently then you :-). >> >> >> >>But seriously, everything that we have recommended, other then the >>engine >> >>options, will not improve their performance potential to any great >>degree. >> >>It may help them somewhat but it was done for other reasons and >>basically >> >>to >> >>bring their cars into the 21st century. You can't have parity between >>any >> >>two or more cars if there is an antique in the mix. >> >> >> >>Improvements along the lines of Formula First rules, gives them options >> >>for >> >>easier and better maintenance of their cars. And sometimes when they >>make >> >>their choices, there is a trade off in increased weight for them to >> >>ponder. >> >> >> >>Quite frankly John, WE already have those things or capabilities on our >> >>cars. Why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't they be able to ditch their >>"1938 >> >>design" components and bring them into our world? >> >> >> >>As far as the engine options, I think you need to do some VW engine >> >>research >> >>prior to panicking. A "torquey 140 HP" engine? We don't think so and >>all >> >>the >> >>information we have found or people we have talked to, would not >>support >> >>that figure. >> >> >> >>Reread the proposal again. There will be two engine improvement options >> >>and >> >>there will be no intermixing of parts of those individual options. They >> >>can >> >>choose only one. If they choose the "big bore" kit avenue, they will >>not >> >>be >> >>able to do anything with their carburetion or valve sizes. They will >>only >> >>be >> >>allowed to have the overbore. They still will be restricted to their >> >>current >> >>single two barrel carb and valve size. That's a big restriction. >> >> >> >>If they choose the other option, they will be able to go with >>unrestricted >> >>carburetion, an increase in valve size, plus a weight reduction of 25#. >> >>That's really going to make them a killer car.......not! >> >> >> >>When was the last time any Solo Vee came really close to a F500 at >> >>Nationals >> >>or Tours? Look at the results for the past five or so years. Our job is >>to >> >>improve that possibility. >> >> >> >>They are in the same class as us and the MAC is responsible for keeping >> >>things as level as humanly possible for all cars. We feel that what we >> >>have >> >>offered will do that. I'm sure you are all for competition, right John? >> >> >> >>Yes, everyone should read the proposal and then....... think about >>things >> >>and talk to people who know VW engines or FVs before they rush to >>judgment >> >>:-). >> >> >> >>Art >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>John >> >>Whitling >> >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:40 AM >> >>To: F 500 mailing list >> >>Subject: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! >> >> >> >>Well, the SCCA has reviewed the situation with Formula/Solo Vees in >>FMod >> >>and >> >>they are giving the Vee guys much more than I believe they should be >> >>considering. Up to 1900 cc, limited slips, disc brakes, reduced weight, >> >>ball >> >>joint adjustable camber front ends and more. I suggest that we all >> >>carefully >> >>read the March Fasttrack for more .. it starts on about page 44. >> >> >> >>Anyone that knows me knows I'm all in favor of giving the Vees some >> >>incentives, however after looking over the rules changes I can see >>where >> >>the >> >>Solo Vees would be able to handily beat even the Formula Fords. >> >>Imagine unlimited tires and wheels (they already have that), a tourquey >> >>140 >> >>hp motor (just my guess on 1900 cc motor output), limited slips, and >>over >> >>100 lbs lighter than a FF. We really need to evaluate whether these >> >>changes >> >>are acceptable to us. >> >> >> >>What the hell is the MAC thinking on this thing????????? >> >> >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a >>name >> >>of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: [email protected] To: [email protected], Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:46:27 -0600 Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Message: 3 New guy and I hate to stir the pot, but Ive been a VW junkie for years so seeing this thread and info I decided to talk to some of the engine builders I know. First off when I gave them all the 1915 option with the restrictions in place they said they wouldnt even bother to build it. The one builder does build a 1915 with dyno sheets at 140...but to do that it requires the bigger valves and dual carbs that are only permitted for the 1600 engine, and 9.5:1 compression. Really, making big power from VW engines is expensive and difficult. So far none of the builders I have talked to think they can make substantial gains with either of the options listed. Sure there will be some gain over what the Vees currently have but the $$ to hp ration is pretty slim. The proposal does allow the vee folks to tap into the aftermarket and use parts that are more easily available than a quickly dwindling supply of vintage VW parts but they are by no means bringing these cars up to the leves of technology afforded to the F500s. Thanks for hearing me out :) Jim T. Quoting Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Last time I checked, Mike Gray was considered one of the Nations top air > cooled vee engine builders. He has been an scca racer/engine builder for > 30+ years, not some lame-ass bullshitter! I bet if you emailed him, he > would provide the dyno sheet for you. He does sell race engines for > something in the $5500 range, as I recall. > Bill Schmidt 88 RD kawi (Im not in love with the vees, but I sure do > respect them) > > >>> "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/25/07 3:57 PM >>> > >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are > > buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. > > Bill, > > As I said to Bob, let's see the dyno sheets :-). If your buddy or Bob > can't > produce them, it's only so much rhetoric and bravado :-). I think I'd > put > more faith in the information garnered from a professional engine > builder > over unsubstantiated claims. > > Art > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan > Schmidt > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > > A solo buddy of mine claims 128hp on his vee and has had no grenading in > 2 years of solo. I for one have no problem believing him or the claim of > 125hp for Mr. McDonald. > Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi ( I claim 66 hp ;( > > > > >Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was > putting out 125hp, > > Every professional VW engine builder that we had talked to in the past > about > updating the 1600 engine would laugh at that figure for a currently > legal > 1600 engine in F Mod. Is there an outside chance that HP figure would be > available, yes it is possible, but it would be nothing more then a > grenade > that would last a few minutes of run time and then explode in a crowd > pleasing display :-). Bottom line Bob, somebody told you MacDonald's car > was > making that much HP. Without some dyno sheets to back that up, it's only > good bench racing talk :-). From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:51:27 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [F500] Re: FM autocrosser alert Message: 4 BTW-----2006 Scott had not had a clean run before the rain fell. You can only compare date from the second day in the dry. In that case he was 'bout 0.3 off if I remember right. Can't comment on 2006. jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 5:21:34 PM Subject: RE: [F500] Re: FM autocrosser alert Fran, Yes, that is correct. Nardin did win the 2004 National by 0.5+ seconds, but as I said we look at all Vees not just Nardin. BTW and just for the record, his position in 2005 was 6th, 3.5 seconds behind, 2006 10th, 4 seconds off the pace. Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Les Francisco Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:12 PM To: F500 discussion AAA Subject: [F500] Re: FM autocrosser alert Art said: We have to try and update the Solo Vee and if you can point to the results that show the Solo Vees to be knocking at the door of the well prepared F500s at Nationals/Tours in the past 4 or 5 years, it must have been something we missed :-). I don't think you have to go back too far to see that Scott Nardin won the national chamionship in a solo Vee a couple of years ago. -- Fran _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! *** Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: <[email protected]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:01:31 -0500 Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Message: 5 Ahhhhhh Bill, we did "talk" to Mike and he has told us that the current Solo Vee engines produce 110 HP on a good day. Is that good enough or do you wish to argue with yourself? :-) And, I won't take any offense about you thinking that we would consider him "....some lame-ass bullshitter!" Next :-). Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Schmidt Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! Last time I checked, Mike Gray was considered one of the Nations top air cooled vee engine builders. He has been an scca racer/engine builder for 30+ years, not some lame-ass bullshitter! I bet if you emailed him, he would provide the dyno sheet for you. He does sell race engines for something in the $5500 range, as I recall. Bill Schmidt 88 RD kawi (Im not in love with the vees, but I sure do respect them) >>> "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/25/07 3:57 PM >>> >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. Bill, As I said to Bob, let's see the dyno sheets :-). If your buddy or Bob can't produce them, it's only so much rhetoric and bravado :-). I think I'd put more faith in the information garnered from a professional engine builder over unsubstantiated claims. Art -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Schmidt Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! A solo buddy of mine claims 128hp on his vee and has had no grenading in 2 years of solo. I for one have no problem believing him or the claim of 125hp for Mr. McDonald. Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi ( I claim 66 hp ;( >Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was putting out 125hp, Every professional VW engine builder that we had talked to in the past about updating the 1600 engine would laugh at that figure for a currently legal 1600 engine in F Mod. Is there an outside chance that HP figure would be available, yes it is possible, but it would be nothing more then a grenade that would last a few minutes of run time and then explode in a crowd pleasing display :-). Bottom line Bob, somebody told you MacDonald's car was making that much HP. Without some dyno sheets to back that up, it's only good bench racing talk :-). Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: CJ McAbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [email protected] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:44:38 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [F500] Looking for Club race car Message: 6 Ed I'm looking at spending 3-5K. The car does not have to be race ready. I would prefer it not to be race ready because whatever I buy will not look like it when I am done with it. I am sure there are cars out there in a basket that your wife's would love to get out of the garage. I'm just looking for one piece of junk to turn in a real stout racecar. Thanks CJ edward capullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CJ What are looking to spend? There are some good cars on the F500 site. Ed Capullo >From: CJ McAbee >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [F500] Looking for Club race car >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 -0800 (PST) > >I have sold my Dads old 1986 Red Devil solo only car to a guy in Kentucky. >So that leaves me racecar less. I'm in the need of a project car or race >ready car. It really doesn't matter what condition the car is in it just >needs to have the legal roll bars in it and 80 inch wheelbase. I know there >are people out there that have cars out there that just will sit and never >get used. So if there is anyone out there that has a car or knows of >someone that has a car that you have no use for let me know. My plan is to >go club racing and see if I cant beat my Dad. > > CJ McAbee ( Chuck's son) > Kansas Region > > >--------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ________________________________ FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 _________________________________ _______________________________________________ F500 mailing list - [email protected] To unsubscribe or change options please visit: http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe requests to the mailing list! ***
