Yes there is! Where do you live? The Sidewinder, QRE, Red Devil, Nova Car, Scorpion, all are available , but you may want to shop by region to get service from a "local" builder, plus size can be a factor , some cars are larger than others, make sure you fit and can arrange delivery before buying , welcome to F500! Jeff @ Sidewinder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [F500] Re: Looking for a new car
> Is there a company that builds F500 cars brand new? I am new to F500. > > Thanks, > > Jacob > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 9:20:29 PM > Subject: F500 Digest, Vol 47, Issue 55 > > > Send F500 mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of F500 digest..." > =============================================== > You may change your F500 digest format and options or unsubscribe by visiting: > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > =============================================== > ________________________________ > FormulaCar Magazine - A Proud Supporter of Formula 500 > The Official Publication of Junior Formula Car Racing > Subscribe Today! www.formulacarmag.com or 519-624-2003 > _________________________________ > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Looking for Club race car (edward capullo) > 2. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (Chuck Voboril) > 3. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 4. Re: Re: FM autocrosser alert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 5. RE: FM Autocrosser ALERT! (Art) > 6. RE: Looking for Club race car (CJ McAbee) > From: "edward capullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Precedence: list > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: [email protected] > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:30:56 -0500 > Reply-To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Subject: RE: [F500] Looking for Club race car > Message: 1 > CJ > What are looking to spend? There are some good cars on the F500 site. > Ed Capullo > > >From: CJ McAbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [F500] Looking for Club race car > >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 -0800 (PST) > > > >I have sold my Dads old 1986 Red Devil solo only car to a guy in Kentucky. > >So that leaves me racecar less. I'm in the need of a project car or race > >ready car. It really doesn't matter what condition the car is in it just > >needs to have the legal roll bars in it and 80 inch wheelbase. I know there > >are people out there that have cars out there that just will sit and never > >get used. So if there is anyone out there that has a car or knows of > >someone that has a car that you have no use for let me know. My plan is to > >go club racing and see if I cant beat my Dad. > > > > CJ McAbee ( Chuck's son) > > Kansas Region > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more..then map the best route! > http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 > From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Precedence: list > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: [email protected] > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:34:51 -0700 > Reply-To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > Message: 2 > BTW, the MAC did use several engine shops for reference. > > This still admittedly may be a small sample statisically. > > But don't go asking simply what is possible from 1600cc or 1915 cc, because > there is more to making HP in these motors than just displacement. > > If any F500 people disagree with the Solo-Vee allowances, I strongly suggest > making a copy of the Solo 2 and GCR FV rules that still apply along with > the proposal allowances and have at it with as many engine builders as you > wish. > > > > The 1915cc low compression, no valve work option just happens to be a very > cheap way to have a flexible motor to quell CVT envy as well as giivng a > slight bump in peak HP. > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > >From: "Chuck Voboril" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:35:02 -0700 > > > >Some things to consider: > > > >The owner of one F500 has supposedly told others that he has 100 HP. That > >was passed along to members of the SEB. > > > >Adding 100 pounds to F500 is the first thing that occurrs to some people > >instead of allowing any modifications to the Solo-vees. > > > >However, there is NO scientific evidence that adding 100 pounds to a F500 > >would slow it down enough, if at all, given the R25A compound at low > >Nationals temperatures. The possible 20-30% greater grip from a hotter > >tire might easily overcome the added weight. > > > > > > > >If speeding up Solo-vee works better than expected, there will be then be > >an obvious data point to use to take something back or move them to another > >class. > > > > > > > >On VW HP figures-there are a lot of VW motor builders to poll. > > > >Have at it! > > > >If one is careful to explain exactly what ALL of the limitations and > >specifications are for a particular solo vee motor, one should get general > >agreement on HP among engine builders. > > > >Suggestion: Write polite letters backed up with as much factual info as > >possible. > > > > > >Chuck Voboril > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: [email protected] > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > >>Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 07:47:32 -0500 > >> > >>Hi Bob, > >> > >> >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are > >>buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. > >> > >>Yes, that is correct. But in Solo you are not buying a FV, you're buying a > >>VW 1600 cc VW powered Vee bastardized into a Solo Vee and running against > >>a > >>much more modern (even without a suspension), smaller, lighter, GCR > >>regulated, formula car. Big difference. As I said in an earlier post, you > >>can't have parity in any class if one of the cars is an antique and the > >>other utilizes current technology and design as well as having other > >>attributes that make it a very good Solo car. > >> > >>If you could combine them, you'd see FVs/FSTs and F500s in the same class. > >>We see enough of that disaster when they combine those cars in the same > >>run > >>group in racing. > >> > >>We have to try and update the Solo Vee and if you can point to the results > >>that show the Solo Vees to be knocking at the door of the well prepared > >>F500s at Nationals/Tours in the past 4 or 5 years, it must have been > >>something we missed :-). > >> > >> > >> >Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was > >>putting out 125hp, > >> > >>Every professional VW engine builder that we had talked to in the past > >>about > >>updating the 1600 engine would laugh at that figure for a currently legal > >>1600 engine in F Mod. Is there an outside chance that HP figure would be > >>available, yes it is possible, but it would be nothing more then a grenade > >>that would last a few minutes of run time and then explode in a crowd > >>pleasing display :-). Bottom line Bob, somebody told you MacDonald's car > >>was > >>making that much HP. Without some dyno sheets to back that up, it's only > >>good bench racing talk :-). > >> > >>But if you think that the proposals for the Vees are so "unreal", then may > >>I > >>suggest that you put the bike back in the garage, make your wife happy, > >>and > >>go out and purchase a Solo Vee and stay in F Mod :-). We don't care what > >>you > >>drive, we just like having you in the class :-). > >> > >>Art > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of fmod > >>Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:38 PM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > >> > >>Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are > >>buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. The changes that > >>were > >>mentioned are unreal. The ones who do do this are again remaking the > >>SuperV. It will cost a lot of money and they still have swingarm > >>rearends. > >>I will make a guess that after a few years if a few build these cars they > >>will be runing C-Mod times and will get moved to C-Mod. If that were to > >>happen, we as F440 and F500 owners should remind the SCCA that our cars > >>are > >>GCR Legal formula cars and make F-Mod for F440/F500 cars period! Also > >>having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was putting > >>out 125hp, I don't see why a 1900cc dual port VW engine can't produce > >>140hp > >>and I would bet that 60% or more of its power will come in at about 2500 > >>to > >>3000 rpm's! > >> > >>I guess I am sure glad I am cutting back on Solo II for a while and riding > >>my new Suzuki! > >> > >>BobbyJ > >>F-Mod NER SCCA > >>25 year member! > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "GaryK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:28 PM > >>Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > >> > >> > >> > The real question is... > >> > > >> > Who is going to makes these changes, updates, to their Solo Vee's? Not > >> > everyone, just a few I believe. > >> > > >> > Remember, these changes are not legal for this year, but could be for > >>next > >> > >> > year as they are looking for member comment on them right now. > >> > > >> > And I agree with Art, there is no reason they can't join the 21st > >>century. > >> > > >> > Gary > >> > > >> > > >> > At 07:41 AM 2/22/2007, Art wrote: > >> >> >What the hell is the MAC thinking on this thing????????? > >> >> > >> >>Obviously John, much differently then you :-). > >> >> > >> >>But seriously, everything that we have recommended, other then the > >>engine > >> >>options, will not improve their performance potential to any great > >>degree. > >> >>It may help them somewhat but it was done for other reasons and > >>basically > >> >>to > >> >>bring their cars into the 21st century. You can't have parity between > >>any > >> >>two or more cars if there is an antique in the mix. > >> >> > >> >>Improvements along the lines of Formula First rules, gives them options > >> >>for > >> >>easier and better maintenance of their cars. And sometimes when they > >>make > >> >>their choices, there is a trade off in increased weight for them to > >> >>ponder. > >> >> > >> >>Quite frankly John, WE already have those things or capabilities on our > >> >>cars. Why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't they be able to ditch their > >>"1938 > >> >>design" components and bring them into our world? > >> >> > >> >>As far as the engine options, I think you need to do some VW engine > >> >>research > >> >>prior to panicking. A "torquey 140 HP" engine? We don't think so and > >>all > >> >>the > >> >>information we have found or people we have talked to, would not > >>support > >> >>that figure. > >> >> > >> >>Reread the proposal again. There will be two engine improvement options > >> >>and > >> >>there will be no intermixing of parts of those individual options. They > >> >>can > >> >>choose only one. If they choose the "big bore" kit avenue, they will > >>not > >> >>be > >> >>able to do anything with their carburetion or valve sizes. They will > >>only > >> >>be > >> >>allowed to have the overbore. They still will be restricted to their > >> >>current > >> >>single two barrel carb and valve size. That's a big restriction. > >> >> > >> >>If they choose the other option, they will be able to go with > >>unrestricted > >> >>carburetion, an increase in valve size, plus a weight reduction of 25#. > >> >>That's really going to make them a killer car.......not! > >> >> > >> >>When was the last time any Solo Vee came really close to a F500 at > >> >>Nationals > >> >>or Tours? Look at the results for the past five or so years. Our job is > >>to > >> >>improve that possibility. > >> >> > >> >>They are in the same class as us and the MAC is responsible for keeping > >> >>things as level as humanly possible for all cars. We feel that what we > >> >>have > >> >>offered will do that. I'm sure you are all for competition, right John? > >> >> > >> >>Yes, everyone should read the proposal and then....... think about > >>things > >> >>and talk to people who know VW engines or FVs before they rush to > >>judgment > >> >>:-). > >> >> > >> >>Art > >> >> > >> >>-----Original Message----- > >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >>John > >> >>Whitling > >> >>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:40 AM > >> >>To: F 500 mailing list > >> >>Subject: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > >> >> > >> >>Well, the SCCA has reviewed the situation with Formula/Solo Vees in > >>FMod > >> >>and > >> >>they are giving the Vee guys much more than I believe they should be > >> >>considering. Up to 1900 cc, limited slips, disc brakes, reduced weight, > >> >>ball > >> >>joint adjustable camber front ends and more. I suggest that we all > >> >>carefully > >> >>read the March Fasttrack for more .. it starts on about page 44. > >> >> > >> >>Anyone that knows me knows I'm all in favor of giving the Vees some > >> >>incentives, however after looking over the rules changes I can see > >>where > >> >>the > >> >>Solo Vees would be able to handily beat even the Formula Fords. > >> >>Imagine unlimited tires and wheels (they already have that), a tourquey > >> >>140 > >> >>hp motor (just my guess on 1900 cc motor output), limited slips, and > >>over > >> >>100 lbs lighter than a FF. We really need to evaluate whether these > >> >>changes > >> >>are acceptable to us. > >> >> > >> >>What the hell is the MAC thinking on this thing????????? > >> >> > >> >>[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a > >>name > >> >>of > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Precedence: list > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Cc: [email protected] > To: [email protected], Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:46:27 -0600 > Reply-To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > Message: 3 > New guy and I hate to stir the pot, but Ive been a VW junkie for years so seeing > this thread and info I decided to talk to some of the engine builders I know. > First off when I gave them all the 1915 option with the restrictions in place > they said they wouldnt even bother to build it. The one builder does build a > 1915 with dyno sheets at 140...but to do that it requires the bigger valves and > dual carbs that are only permitted for the 1600 engine, and 9.5:1 compression. > Really, making big power from VW engines is expensive and difficult. So far > none of the builders I have talked to think they can make substantial gains with > either of the options listed. Sure there will be some gain over what the Vees > currently have but the $$ to hp ration is pretty slim. > > The proposal does allow the vee folks to tap into the aftermarket and use parts > that are more easily available than a quickly dwindling supply of vintage VW > parts but they are by no means bringing these cars up to the leves of technology > afforded to the F500s. > > Thanks for hearing me out :) > Jim T. > > Quoting Jan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Last time I checked, Mike Gray was considered one of the Nations top air > > cooled vee engine builders. He has been an scca racer/engine builder for > > 30+ years, not some lame-ass bullshitter! I bet if you emailed him, he > > would provide the dyno sheet for you. He does sell race engines for > > something in the $5500 range, as I recall. > > Bill Schmidt 88 RD kawi (Im not in love with the vees, but I sure do > > respect them) > > > > >>> "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/25/07 3:57 PM >>> > > >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are > > > > buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. > > > > Bill, > > > > As I said to Bob, let's see the dyno sheets :-). If your buddy or Bob > > can't > > produce them, it's only so much rhetoric and bravado :-). I think I'd > > put > > more faith in the information garnered from a professional engine > > builder > > over unsubstantiated claims. > > > > Art > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan > > Schmidt > > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:39 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > > > > A solo buddy of mine claims 128hp on his vee and has had no grenading in > > 2 years of solo. I for one have no problem believing him or the claim of > > 125hp for Mr. McDonald. > > Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi ( I claim 66 hp ;( > > > > > > > > >Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was > > putting out 125hp, > > > > Every professional VW engine builder that we had talked to in the past > > about > > updating the 1600 engine would laugh at that figure for a currently > > legal > > 1600 engine in F Mod. Is there an outside chance that HP figure would be > > available, yes it is possible, but it would be nothing more then a > > grenade > > that would last a few minutes of run time and then explode in a crowd > > pleasing display :-). Bottom line Bob, somebody told you MacDonald's car > > was > > making that much HP. Without some dyno sheets to back that up, it's only > > good bench racing talk :-). > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Precedence: list > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:51:27 -0800 (PST) > Reply-To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Subject: Re: [F500] Re: FM autocrosser alert > Message: 4 > BTW-----2006 Scott had not had a clean run before the rain fell. You can only > compare date from the second day in the dry. In that case he was 'bout 0.3 > off if I remember right. Can't comment on 2006. > > jim > > ----- Original Message > ---- > From: Art <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, > February 25, 2007 5:21:34 PM > Subject: RE: [F500] Re: FM autocrosser alert > Fran, > > Yes, that is correct. Nardin did win the 2004 National by 0.5+ seconds, > but > as I said we look at all Vees not just Nardin. > > BTW and just for the > record, his position in 2005 was 6th, 3.5 seconds > behind, 2006 10th, 4 seconds > off the pace. > > Art > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Les > Francisco > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:12 PM > To: F500 discussion AAA > Subject: [F500] Re: FM autocrosser alert > > Art said: > We have to try and update > the Solo Vee and if you can point to the results > that show the Solo Vees to be > knocking at the door of the well prepared > F500s at Nationals/Tours in the past > 4 or 5 years, it must have been > something we missed :-). > > > I don't think you > have to go back too far to see that Scott Nardin won the > national chamionship > in a solo Vee a couple of years ago. > > -- > Fran > _______________________________________________ > F500 mailing list - > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or change options please visit: > http://f500.org/mailman/listinfo/f500 > *** Please, DO NOT send unsubscribe > requests to the mailing list! *** > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Precedence: list > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: <[email protected]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:01:31 -0500 > Reply-To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > Message: 5 > Ahhhhhh Bill, we did "talk" to Mike and he has told us that the current Solo > Vee engines produce 110 HP on a good day. Is that good enough or do you wish > to argue with yourself? :-) > > And, I won't take any offense about you thinking that we would consider him > "....some lame-ass bullshitter!" > > Next :-). > > Art > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan > Schmidt > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 7:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > > Last time I checked, Mike Gray was considered one of the Nations top air > cooled vee engine builders. He has been an scca racer/engine builder for > 30+ years, not some lame-ass bullshitter! I bet if you emailed him, he > would provide the dyno sheet for you. He does sell race engines for > something in the $5500 range, as I recall. > Bill Schmidt 88 RD kawi (Im not in love with the vees, but I sure do respect > them) > > >>> "Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/25/07 3:57 PM >>> > >Having owned a Solo FV I can say that when you buy one you know you are > > buying 1938 design (VW parts) and you live with it. > > Bill, > > As I said to Bob, let's see the dyno sheets :-). If your buddy or Bob can't > produce them, it's only so much rhetoric and bravado :-). I think I'd put > more faith in the information garnered from a professional engine builder > over unsubstantiated claims. > > Art > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan > Schmidt > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [F500] FM Autocrosser ALERT! > > A solo buddy of mine claims 128hp on his vee and has had no grenading in > 2 years of solo. I for one have no problem believing him or the claim of > 125hp for Mr. McDonald. > Bill Schmidt 88 RD Kawi ( I claim 66 hp ;( > > > > >Also having been told that John McDonalds car, before he bought it, was > putting out 125hp, > > Every professional VW engine builder that we had talked to in the past about > updating the 1600 engine would laugh at that figure for a currently legal > 1600 engine in F Mod. Is there an outside chance that HP figure would be > available, yes it is possible, but it would be nothing more then a grenade > that would last a few minutes of run time and then explode in a crowd > pleasing display :-). Bottom line Bob, somebody told you MacDonald's car was > making that much HP. Without some dyno sheets to back that up, it's only > good bench racing talk :-). > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > From: CJ McAbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Precedence: list > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: [email protected] > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:44:38 -0800 (PST) > Reply-To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Subject: RE: [F500] Looking for Club race car > Message: 6 > Ed > > I'm looking at spending 3-5K. The car does not have to be race ready. I would prefer it not to be race ready because whatever I buy will not look like it when I am done with it. I am sure there are cars out there in a basket that your wife's would love to get out of the garage. I'm just looking for one piece of junk to turn in a real stout racecar. > > Thanks > CJ > > edward capullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CJ > What are looking to spend? There are some good cars on the F500 site. > Ed Capullo > > >From: CJ McAbee > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [F500] Looking for Club race car > >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:31:11 -0800 (PST) > > > >I have sold my Dads old 1986 Red Devil solo only car to a guy in Kentucky. > >So that leaves me racecar less. I'm in the need of a project car or race > >ready car. It really doesn't matter what condition the car is in it just > >needs to have the legal roll bars in it and 80 inch wheelbase. I know there > >are people out there that have cars out there that just will sit and never > >get used. So if there is anyone out there that has a car or knows of > >someone that has a car that you have no use for let me know. My plan is to > >go club racing and see if I cant beat my Dad. > > > > CJ McAbee ( Chuck's son) > > Kansas Region > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Get your own web address. > > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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