I agree with Ed's previous post disagreeing with the statement that we're not losing racers. In the SE it's a fact that we're losing more than we're gaining. I personally know of 4-6 in the SE that are no longer consistently racing national events (The Teague brothers, guys from Dolphin - Bob/Jim/Jack/plus some of their past renters, 2 others from our Atlanta based X1 race team that me, Clint and Eric are a part of). We used to have a blast b/c we always had at least 6-8 competitive cars per national race...now we're just lucky if Clint, myself and Eric are competing in the same one (and we're all on the same team)!
> >>From: John Whitling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [F500] Class survival. >>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:32:12 -0400 >> >>I totally agree with your assessment. We're not having any problems >>keeping racers. We're having problems GETTING racers. Thus these >>perception issues are large. >> >>Chris Greenwald wrote: >> >> > Part of the problem is getting people to give F500 a try. Once you >> > drive the car, you will be hooked; however you may not give it a >> > chance because it isn't the car you had envisioned. Forget the fact >> > that many people envision themselves immediately starting out in F1 >> > or the Nextel Cup. As racers, WE don't care what it sounds like, but >> > the people who haven't yet been in a race car do care. They care more >> > about the IMAGE than the racing. That all changes once you get on the >> > track. >> > >> > Just my .01 >> > >> > -Chris >> > >> > >> > On Mar 13, 2007, at 7:45 AM, edward capullo wrote: >> > >> >> George >> >> You are new so I am going to be gentle. Did you buy the car to rev >> >> up the motor and listen to it or to RACE it? Who gives a [EMAIL >> >> PROTECTED] what >> >> it sounds like if you are having fun and winning races? If you are >> >> not in it to have fun and win then why are you in racing? I have >> >> been in various kinds of racing since 1960 and have driven fully >> >> muffled cars to wide open rails.(Nothing will ever top the sound of >> >> the eight short pipes in front of me when I had my front-engined >> >> rail not counting the sound of the other guy's eight pipes in the >> >> next lane..just ask "Q") I believe that the "compelling reasons" >> >> that had you decide on the F500 probably centered around cost >> >> effectiveness (bang for the buck) >> >> There is just no way to go as fast for so little money in any other >> >> class. So DRIVE the car and let others worry about what it sounds >> >> like...especially when you are PASSING them. >> >> Capt. Eddie >> >> >> >>> From: "george" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> Subject: Re: [F500] Class survival. >> >>> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:55:19 -0800 >> >>> >> >>> Let me choose different words then in order to prevent a comparison >> >>> to cars >> >>> that don't exist when I start up my F500 at the racetrack. >> >>> >> >>> Chuck, my comments are for the list to seriously consider and not >> >>> directed >> >>> at you. >> >>> >> >>> The exhaust note of the F500 sounds silly and stupid. The only >> >>> thing worse >> >>> is a mosquito buzzing your ear at 2 in the morning on a hot summer >> >>> night. >> >>> The exhaust sound was the ONLY reason why I held off from buying >> >>> one over >> >>> the last 3 years. There are other compelling reasons why ended up >> >>> buying >> >>> one, but I still can't stand the sound of it. Aside from that, I am >> >>> still >> >>> one of the new four that will be racing F500 on the west coast. >> >>> >> >>> Since the question was asked how to increase the numbers of the >> >>> class, I >> >>> thought I'd offer an "outsider's" opinion regarding the biggest >> >>> reason why >> >>> most folks I know have no interest in buying one: Race cars should >> >>> sound >> >>> "cool." The exhaust note of the F500 isn't cool. Why do you think >> >>> kids & >> >>> grown ups rev up engines? It sounds cool. When's the last time you >> >>> heard a >> >>> field of F500 revving up their engines to show them off? IMO, they >> >>> don't >> >>> because it would sound like a gathering of lumberjacks revving up >> >>> chain saws >> >>> because there's nothing better to do if you're holding a chain saw >> >>> and not >> >>> cutting wood. Chain saws are not race cars and if you wanted to buy >> >>> a race >> >>> car, why buy one that has a chain saw strapped to the rear of it? >> >>> >> >>> Hopefully I didn't offend anyone. See you at the track >> >>> >> >>> George >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "McAbee, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> To: <[email protected]> >> >>> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:25 PM >> >>> Subject: RE: [F500] Class survival. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > I think the bigger question is .....What does a race car sound >>like? >> >>> > >> >>> > In SCCA we run everything from Showroom Stock to 5 Liter GT-1 >> >>> cars and >> >>> > everything in between, hitting most of the notes between near >> >>> silence >> >>> > and the bass sounds of the Big Bores. I know we all can pick >>either >> >>> > classes or particular cars and say they either don't sound like a >> >>> race >> >>> > car or they just plain sound lousy. Truth be told, to me, F1 >> >>> cars no >> >>> > longer sound like race cars....they sound like sewing machines on >> >>> > steroids with a mega sound system, but they don't sound like an >> >>> internal >> >>> > combustion engine; at 20K RPM how could they. >> >>> > >> >>> > While I may be nearing the age of dirt, I can recall many >> >>> devastatingly >> >>> > quick cars the really didn't sound like race cars - the CART cars >> >>> in the >> >>> > 70's & 80's with the Turbo's acting like mufflers as far as sound >> >>> > quality was concerned. The famous Porsche 917-30KL with it's >> >>> twin turbo >> >>> > 5.4L engine didn't really sound like a 'racecar'; but it sure could >> >>> > perform. >> >>> > >> >>> > Maybe someone could design a pipe that would drop our exhaust >> >>> sound 4 or >> >>> > 5 octaves? >> >>> > >> >>> > We are what we are! Now let's get the cars out of the garage and >>go >> >>> > racing. With any kind of luck, I'll be at Road Atlanta in 2 weeks. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Chuck McAbee >> >>> > SEDIV #16 >> >>> > >> >>> > -----Original Message----- >> >>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> >>> george >> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:41 AM >> >>> > To: [email protected] >> >>> > Subject: Re: [F500] Class survival. >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm new to F500 racing and I think there's only one problem with >>the >> >>> > racecar: >> >>> > >> >>> > It doesn't sound like a racecar. >> >>> > >> >>> > Any other change is irrelevant IMO because if it doesn't sound >> >>> like a >> >>> > racecar, no one would if it had coilovers, a 6 speed transmission >> >>> with >> >>> > reverse, 13" tires, and a 5 bazzilion cc motor that ran on water. >> >>> > >> >>> > George >> >>> > the new guy that's simple minded >> >>> > _ >> >>> > ----------------------------------------- >> >>> > This email transmission and any accompanying attachments may >> >>> > contain CSX privileged and confidential information intended only >> >>> > for the use of the intended addressee. 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