Bob
As an aside ar airboxes of any kind legal for F500? When are you coming down my way?
Ed Capullo


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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:45:31 -0400

I agree after owning a few dirt bikes. But here in New England the sound police don't like 2 Strokes! People New England generally don't like the noise from race cars. If I keep my car it will get the pipe wrapped and maybe a different muffler because the setup I have now works but it is fugly! Also Jeff Blumenthal was correct in saying a lot of the noise is from the air being sucked into the air cleaners. One day when we went over with the K&N's, we switched to the foam filters and got past the sound meter! TonyJ built a very nice cover for his carbs with great results with foam material on the outside of the cover.

Bob Jordan
#5 Fmod NER SCCA

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Harleys sound cool ? Not to me at all. I'd rather listen to someone running there nails down a chalkboard.

Growing up racing mx, pre 4 stroke days, there is nothing like the sound of screaming 2 smokes.
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At least the harley sound's cool.... Better than that buzzing


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One spot where we may differ. Being a resident of southeastern wisconsin i am currently tripping on two snowmobile engines at my warehouse I don't even
own.  They grow like wildflowers.  arctice cat and bombardier are both in
the local landscape.  (so is harley... how about that!)


On 3/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I agree with you 100%. One of the biggest problems I find with the class is parts. Being in the south a bike engine would make more since. They are everywhere and are not limited by location. They could be retrofitted to the cars fairly easily and after market parts are abundant. Just my 2 cents


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Hey, maybe a couple of cents from me on your class.

f500 is a quirky little car that I was enamored with for enough time to
follow this mailing list and do an awful lot of research. There were only
a
few things that turned me off, but it very well may be my next step if
spec
miata ever loses its charm to me.

your right, the sound is terrible, theyre really unpleasant to
watch.  They
are the worst hangover medication in the history of racing and I don't
drink.  I dont think that people are staying away from the class because
of
that.

With "no suspension and no transmission" the cars should cost
substantially
less to purchase and maintain than they do.  From out here it looks like
there is a lot of money being spent on the next best thing...the montra of
a
spec class is much more attractive (though as an insider I know that is
flat
out bullshit).

Your class members have been some of the warmest, least mysterious folks,
you are all very helpful to one another, and the level of unbalanced
individuals seems to be the lowest of the classes I've followed.

I think in a lot of ways FF, and FVee are competing against you, diluting
the class.  As an insider I know there are stark differences between the
classes.  I can't afford FF and I don't want to deal with the
personalities. FVee to me is a bunch of old hippies and the cars are past their prime. I think f500 is cool looking cars, with an interesting newer
tech.  As an outsider all of this is just "small open wheel"

Take a look at your community for a moment.  As a spec miata driver we
have
the obvious specmiata.com to support that angle, and we have miata.net.
Both have extensive memberships, huge aftermarket and manufacturer
support,
and they easily advertise themselves.  Where is f500's simple, generic
resource on getting in and getting the wheels spinning.  (think about
other
specific examples, i.e. vw vortex for some of the production classes,
bimmerworld for those guys, etc, etc).  Also, where is SCCA magazine and
GRM
magazine support? I don't think I've ever seen an interesting write up on
what an f500 is or what the class is about.

While I know none of you want 80 cars in a field, I think you could easily double your class if you wanted to by consolidating effort into some basic
marketing.  But do you want to?  To me, f500 is the most obvious open
wheel
class to get into, with cost of ownership and maintenance comparable to
several other classes. Unfortunately, at first blush, the class does not
differentiate itself well from your compatriot classes.

And I may be way off base, but just try to take this from the eyes of a
"noob" -- it is my gut reaction to the cars.  I find it funny that at
races
when I inquire about an f500 the guys kinda wince like im about to take a
shot at the car, when I am just curious and ignorant.  People joke about
funny looking/sounding/smelling things.  Again, though, when people find
out
I am genuinely interested they have taken great amounts of time and pain
to
explain all the ins and outs of the cars and the class and the culture.

...and im only at sfi3.2 today so take it easy with the responses.
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