OK Steve. I have several quotes for pipes. Lowest cost is $260 for right side headers from S&S headers who make tons of bike pipes. Highest is $585 for a complete unit fabbed for my car from FTZ Performance, they make pipes for Mini Sprints.
I spoke to George Dean because he is doing the wireing harness for the F1000 car conversion kit I am doing. He is very knowlegable & a very straight shooter. I AM NOT SHOPPING AN ENGINE TUNER. The engine will be BONE STOCK except for the headers & the oil pan baffles. I do not know where you heard that I have played around with ceramic bearings, I guarantee you that has never happened. I have looked for bearings that did not leak for our 1st transfer case 2 years ago & I talked to several companies around the US about special bearing seals, but I never saw, touched or purchased any ceramic bearing in my life. The bearing solution was to order the right bearing with the right seal from Bearing Service for about $20 each. If you think we are fast in a straight line because of ceramic bearings you are fooling yourself. That is another really good rumor about our mega$$$ F500 cars, I love it. We built the 2 Rakavons we have over a 2 year time period for a total of about $10,000 in parts & materials & about 4000 hours of Brian's, Don Hamilton's & my labor. I build my own cars because I love to build & then I can afford what I want. This 600 engine project is for my personal use. I do not sell cars anymore. If you want a NovaKar then call Don Clar. Brian is moving on to F1000 but I am going to race in F500 as it is what I can afford. Yes, I wanted to do DSR but the $$ for me to do that are not there. Gee you sound really pissed. This is my money & my time & if I fail then no one is hurt except me. PS: our 1st Rakavon is still for sale but we will be racing it this season & it can be had after the Runoffs bearings & all. Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steven Dodd Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [F500] Jay's Cost Breakdown, Considerations & Car Builders & BS Jay, you quoted George Dean-But You still failed to mention PIPE COST. You didn't and won't because you know that this cost kills your Econo Friendly 600 argument. Check it out and publish it compared to an f500 pipe- I dare you! AND_If you are already shopping tuners, what does that say about keeping them stock? Jay, you state that mini Sprint guys dont have problems keeping things legal. Have you been to one of these events? Cheating is everywhere. Rebuild Sources-if your so convinced, please tell us names where we could get new pistons, rings bearing valves etc for 1500. Where is the Labor cost accounted for in your proposition? Texas is huge but not so big that word doesn't travel when you try and source parts for you last runoffs power delivery through a shop in Plano. You know what I am talking about and most people here have cars that cost less than any product of their product line. Your sought procurement had Nothing to do with "intended" class rules. You also have played around with the ceramic bearing ideas that would give you a several thousand dollar cost increase and a several mile per hour advantage. I find it amazing that you stated on the DSR board that you would be out of F5 as soon as you sold your final two cars and that you would be moving solely to DSR, yet you dwell in the land of us lowley two strokers. If M/C power is where your heart is then go to DSR sir, please . Stick Brian in that DSR you built with 1000cc and see how you fare against the other. You may be drinking your own medicine then and getting spanked by Lee. And I suggest that you dont suggest to the rest of us " let this play out to see what happens." Most of us are not idle dwellers and are entitled to our firery opinions. We are just as passionate as you and we aren't trying to revive "Our" car sales. Steven Dodd Red Devil '02 Texas >Chuck, I know you are opposed to this direction. I have also been >concerned >about costs but I am now convinced that there are multiple sources for >engines & rebuilds that are very much in line with the numbers I have >posted. I have found multiple sources that will do complete 600cc rebuilds >with all new pistons, rings, bearings & valves for $1500. This is >extremely >reasonable IMHO. >Additionally there are multiple mini sprint santioning bodies that have >bone >stock classes & they do not seem to have problems keeping things legal. >F1000 has a stock engine rule. I have spoken to George Dean who is one of >the most respected engine tuners in the business & he says that if you use >the stock ECU & aftermarket exhaust you can get an additional 5 hp on the >1000 & about 3 hp on the 600 engines. Much more hp is available with >significant engine modifications and aftermarket ECUs. These will not be >legal if the 600cc engines are ever approved. > >I suggest that you let this play out to see what happens. > >Thanks ... Jay Novak -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/752 - Release Date: 4/8/2007 8:34 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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