You are right Steven, I responded a bit too quickly. MY BAD! You are absolutley correct in that we must get out there & race this year, for certain, or we will could lose our National status right away & then what? It won't matter what engines we use in the future. It just scares me to see our National entry numbers drop by about 60% from 5 years ago to last year & now down another 20% this year. For the life of me I can't see why our numbers have fallen so quickly.
Let's all get out there & do as many races as we can this year. I suggest that as many Regional racers as possible try to do Nationals this year instead of regionals to get the numbers up a bit. We will all be there to help you in any way we can! Thanks ... Jay Novak -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steven Dodd Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [F500] Stroud, Novak, Bosco, Limbaugh and Imus et al Stroud, Novak Bosco et al. C'mon fellas. Please re-read what I wrote. I know its Saturday evening so the beer may change your reading comprehension BUT my message was not discouraging M/C power as I had in the past. IT WAS only to encourage those who would make the conversion NOW to race F5 until then. Stroud, I am not asking you to "beat a dead horse" or "bang your head against the wall". You are still racing in F5. Thank you!!! That was all my email was asking people to do. Bosco, I am not debating validity here of M/C power...I was simply reminding people to come race until a change takes place. Novak, you think you would have cut me some slack since this is the first time I DIDN'T come out aginst M/C power. And, one of your very good friends and loyal cusotmers was the one who reminded me to stop worrying about immediate rule changes. So maybe cut me some slack, re-read and think that my intent was encouraging rather than discouraging. To all- I was only trying to stop anyone who is on the fence from "waiting to see" instead of fielding a car now. We need numbers now. My fear is that newbies will read the "FUN" debate and not join us until M/C is available. Or those newbies who are extemeley intelligent, may think we are all a bunch of self loathers instead of the mostly positive people that exist in F5 (at least locally). This M/C thread is so polarized now that I can't even make a "grid call " to encourage present racing wthout people thinking their is a logic flaw on my part (Novak) or making people want to inflict self pain "Head bang"(Stroud). This is my second year racing f5. I have a nat'l license and waited to comment until I that in hand. I can say, when I try to encourage people to come race NOW and the "godfathers" of the class are so quick to criticize it makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder, if the peolpe are so ready to shoot down dissenters, that if we aren't killing the class with negativity instead of lack of power sources. When I got into the class it was because peole like Palmer, Gill, Sanco, and McLeod would walk a mile to help ANYONE out, even a competitor. Their positive attitude was & is incredible. If I ever consider a leave it would be because I can't get an inch of slack any more.-The current attitude from some M/C fans is sounding eliteist, authoratarian and generally lacking any sense of humor or room for debate .- When did Rush Limbough set the overall tone for F5? Maybe Don Imus is writing our dialogue on how to treat young Nat' racers?- Huh? In my second season, Im' flying the F5 flag high, I'm inviting new people to the races and this is the responses from the most experienced among us? Is F5 eating their young Nat'l racers ? And finally to CR- You can't get your car homologated in F5 until you follow the current rules. All newbies should realize that it is imposssible to slap in a 600cc M/c and gain homologation. DO NOT follow his lead on this if you plan on raing f5 this year.. Chris you can't race with us until at least '09-10. Get out and race .....we could use the numbers in f5 not fS. To the very experienced-Keep telling the current new crop of Nat'l racers who are fielding cars now, how wrong they are for ever disagreeing (or being happy about F5) and you just might see us, our dollars and our support wonder off into another group of happier folks. If you want us to race and follow your lead to M/C power, then encourage people to switch only when the time comes and remind us that our investments are safe for now. Today-As I drove around the unopend New FIA- Eagles Canyon raceway with a great friend and competitor who rode his Harley 80 Miles in 40 degree temps to meet me and preview the track I was reminded that those who rarely speak up on this board really should. You are the best reasons to race F5. Steven Dodd Texas >From: "Steven Dodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To all the two stroke fans (myself included) and to those who may think >that this whole four stroke movement will put an end to our fun......Well, >I was reminded by a very neutral party today that even if this ever gets >done, we won't see this in the GCR before 2009. >So we won't see any big number of cars fielded before 2010. That made me >happier than free beer!!! >Maybe it would be wiser for those who are converting their cars to 600cc >power now, to convert back until we see a rule change. If not, your >presence, or lack thereof, may be the straw that breaks the Camels Back and >takes us from Nat'l contention. >Come race with us now-then throw in your four stroke after we survive. >SCCA is keeping score on our present participation. >Steven Dodd >From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Just out of curiosity, what do some think that if we get an ALTERNATIVE >engine approved that has equal performance to the 2 stroke, that the 2 >stroke engines are gone? Rember the goal is to have an ALTERNATIVE engine, >NOT REPLACEMENT. ge----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >Steven Dodd >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:35 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [F500] 600cc Time Line -& Concern > > >To all the two stroke fans (myself included) and to those who may think >that this whole four stroke movement will put an end to our fun......Well, >I >was reminded by a very neutral party today that even if this ever gets >done, >we won't see this in the GCR before 2009. >So we won't see any big number of cars fielded before 2010. That made me >happier than free beer!!! >Maybe it would be wiser for those who are converting their cars to 600cc >power now, to convert back until we see a rule change. If not, your >presence, or lack thereof, may be the straw that breaks the Camels Back and >takes us from Nat'l contention. >Come race with us now-then throw in your four stroke after we survive. >SCCA is keeping score on our present participation. >Steven Dodd Bosco wrote >>Personally, I think this is the best move this class has ever made. Of >course, I am only one opinion, but I think more people (younger people) >would consider the class if the MC engine was approved. >Even if this is not the way to go, everyone has to agree SOMETHING has to >be >done to improve participation numbers. >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jay - do you have a bruise on your forehead like I do from beating your head against the wall. The ones against the 600cc choose to ignore the goal of "ALTERNATE" even before we can determine if it is even possible. I admire you taking the time to respond but I think the horse is dead. >I know of 6 cars in the SE alone that are in favor of the 600cc >"ALTERNATIVE" that are racing the National schedule this year and will be >fielding cars at the Runoffs with the current set up. Looking at the past >years results, it's also a safe assumption that most will qualify in the >top 15 if not higher. This does not include others I know are in favor of >it as well from other regions that are doing the same. I don't know of >anyone in the SE who has converted their existing cars...only waiting to >see what others investigating the ALTERNATIVE find. So I guess I don't see >the logic here as our presence is where it should be. > >Jay Stroud >X1 Racing #25 CR Wrote: I myself plan reguardless to get the car homologated as both F5 and FS. When and if the 600 gets the green light, I'll be ready, at least partly, because I'm sure there will be other changes that will need to be done..... > Since FS is the only place we can play for the time being, I would >sugest anybody else that's thinking about it, to do the same so we can all >play together... -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 4/14/2007 9:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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