From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [F500] Added F500 stress
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:57:14 -0400
Chuck, we have actually measured our transmission losses & they are NO WERE
NEAR 50%.
Thanks ... Jay Novak
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Chuck Voboril
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [F500] Added F500 stress
This would only apply to the brakes, chassis, rubbers, and other suspension
bits if you switch to engines with more HP, speed, and weight than YOU HAVE
CURRENTLY.
Like using a 600cc 120 HP sled or115-120 HP bike engine.
Sled motors are stressed pretty hard in sleds if you run in deep powder at
full throttle.
Then there is the always present CVT loss/track drag that eats 50 % of the
HP from the crank. That's like having a much heavier vehicle.
Chuck
>From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:22:33 -0400
>
>No question there will be adfditional stress due to additional weight.
But
>nothing more than the same situation for snowmobile engines in F500.
Sled
>weight X 2 = F500 weight. same deal.
>
>Thanks ... Jay Novak
>
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:24 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
>
>
>So, you're saying the additional weight of the vehicle beyond the weight
of
>the intended application (i.e., motorcycles) will not place an additional
>burden on the driveline (which includes the clutch and gearbox)?
>
>Explanation please.
>
>Dave Gill
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Reinhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
>
>
> > Chuck, I don't think anybody is saying that MC engines will save the
> > world, the point is something needs to change to improve attendence
and
> > bring new blood into the class.
> > BTW, clutches will not be an issues other than if you slip the heck
>out
> > of them coming out of the pits, the issue will be rounding off the
dogs
>on
> > the gears. You never touch the clutch other than starting or
stopping.
> >
> > CR
> >
> > Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There are no free lunches.
> > Running at the top of the pack always involves work.
> > If you truly want to win-you better NOT be drinking beer when you
could
>be
> > working on your car-even if it is just checking every bolt for
tightness
> > on
> > a spec Miata.
> >
> > I have heard of racers who went back to FF1600 because it was more fun
>and
> > about as time intensive and expensive as running at the top of the
pack
>in
> > Spec Miata.
> >
> > It all depends what you are willing to settle for in terms of
finishing
> > postion as to how much work you put in in many cases.
> >
> > MC engines, transmissions, and shifters will thwart people just as
>easily
> > as
> > any other motor combo.
> >
> > I have been with a DSR racer who bent valves in a MC engine during
> > practice
> > and had to swap out the motor overnight. Others have problems with
their
> > transmission shifting or with the clutch. Remember, an oval track
> > minisprint
> > doesn't shift very much. Pretty easy on the clutch, shifter and
tranny.
> > With a very low final drive, that also takes a lot of stress off the
> > tranny.
> >
> > One can also look at ANY racing near the top as an intelligence test
for
> > their them and their team (if they have one).
> >
> > If one is smart about it, one will NOT be excessively struggling to
keep
> > their motor from burning down or doing a ton of work to get their
> > clutching
> > correct at every major event.
> >
> > If you do not wish to work really hard on your CAR (whatever it
is)-then
> > go
> > to an indoor go-kart track instead, or just be resigned to running mid
>to
> > botton of pack.
> >
> >
> > Incidently, running at the TOP of the indoor kart track pyramid also
> > involves time and money.
> >
> > Locally, the father and son who have repeatedly been 1 and 2 out of
>about
> > 55,000 customers at the F1 Factory on Washington street, have to spend
> > every
> > spare minute at the track driving or else be working to get more money
>to
> > spend on track time.
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> >>Reply-To: [email protected]
> >>To: [email protected]
> >>Subject: Re: [F500] Converting FF2000 to F1000 instead
> >>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:23:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> >>
> >>EXACTLY Chris...glad someone else gets it. Let's not forget to mention
> >>better potential reliability with the proposed "ALTERNATIVE" package.
> >>Honestly, what other class spends more time working on their cars at
the
> >>track than us? None...including CSR, DSR, F1000 or those stupid mini
>stock
> >>car wanna-be's that have motorcycle engines in them. We all watch them
>as
> >>they walk by us going to the social on Saturday afternoon to drink
free
> >>beer. We're usually the first to get there, the last to leave and the
> >>busiest during the day...atleast if you're running up front that is.
>It's
> >>been like that for the past 5 years that I've raced 500's and I've
seen
>if
> >>from others I've competed against as well. That's why we do have the
> >>friendliest class b/c we spend all our time helping each other repair
>our
> >>cars or loaning out spare parts to fix them. I know some of you are
> >>laughing right now at the truth of this!
> >>
> >>At the Road Atlanta national, Dan and Clint spent a boat load of time
> >>working on his and my 500 (both engine related), not to mention Clint
> >>staying at the track later that evening to help put a spare 494 in
Chuck
> >>McAbee's car so he could make the race. The next weekend at the
regional
> >>at CMP, I watched Mark Lindsey's team spend a good bit of time working
>on
> >>his two cars as well as Greg Rheile having to leave early based on a
> >>component failure (not engine related) that he was unable to repair in
> >>time
> >>to make the race.
> >>
> >>I was able to observe all of this b/c all I had to do was check oil,
lug
> >>nuts and tire pressures on my Spec Miata that I was racing for those 3
> >>races! I also made every practice & qualifying session plus finished
>every
> >>lap of each race. I can't say the same for the majority of the 500's
>I've
> >>mentioned here.
> >>
> >>js
> >>
> >>
> >>"Chuck, IMHO in the case of the F500 conversion, you end up with car
you
> >>can work on and tune without an engineering degree."
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
>
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