Hi Mark: On Mar 15, 2005, at 9:43 PM, mark robert wrote:
> If you are talking about the Rig Veda, saying that it is the real > teaching on Soma (and that it’s external), I agree with you. What I was talking about was modern reconstructions of an alleged "Vedic yoga" by the TMO which really has no basis in a lineal system of enlightenment (unless yo consider chanting priests such a system). Having said that, I'll say what I have said before. The vast majority of what the TMO *calls* "Vedic" is in fact (not theory, supposition or legend) NOT Vedic. There is a vast literature in Indian pre-Vedic texts on a lunar substance associated with the higher chakras. There is a further possibility that the "sama", the Vedic hymns themselves, do not date from "Vedic times/the Vedic era" but back into the remote past (the Treta yuga). These ancient sacrificial hymns were appropriated by by the Aryans and codified into their present form. Alongside these Aryan "soma cults" exist, up to the present day, the remnants of the pre-Vedic soma cults (who didn't necessarily use the words soma--there are numerous other words in the Sandhya Bhasya, the Twilight Language). They preserve a full yogic path utilizing BOTH inner and outer "soma". Very little is left of Vedic religion. No person or no text or no lineage has come forth demonstrating a palpable Vedic soma praxis linked to enlightenment. The Vedic trip is primarily a Brahmin priestly trip mixed with earlier Tantric materials. The TMO soma system is basically a reconstructed system attempting to capture a way to attain via Vedic means. Most of its methods however (mantras, yoga, etc.) are not Vedic at all. > But whether you are or not: > > > IF you equate the Rig Veda’s age with its Vedic importance, THEN you > must face up to its most apparent message: THAT Vedic enlightenment > was an effect only obtained from the consumption of an elaborately > prepared external substance. I posit that what went before the actual Rig Ved, etc. was more important. It is very possible the Rig Ved itself is a pre-Vedic trad. appropriated by the Aryans (but not necessarily via "invasion"). > Was RV-Soma the same as modern TMO-Soma? Many say “no” and try to > claim a difference as support for the latter over the former, but that > is backward logic. Since TMO-Soma has always been represented as Vedic > (by MMY), any criticism against (or distancing from) RV-Soma texts is > foolhardy - SINCE the RV is the heart and source of everything Vedic. There is actually very little left of true Vedic religion. Hinduism, as it exists today, is primarily Agamic and Tantric. Shanti, Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
