Hi Tom:

On Mar 22, 2005, at 4:30 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:

> Tom T:
> When the Knowing is Known by the ultimate Knower there is no where
> left to go. This is the one and only Knower knowing its creation
> through its own Self. From the totality of creation to point value it
> is all Knower and Knower can know through the totality and the point
> value simutaneously. All the ocean in a drop. Same.

OK.

> Vah
> I think "witnessing" may be a bad term in this case and that's the
> sticker.
> Lastly, what disturbs me is that it doesn't all appear new. It's a
> nice and convincing rearrangement of all the old TM buzzwords. There's
> little new. I expect the description to be as fresh and new as
> anything could be. But it's presented in the jargon and conditioned
> wording of TM. Why is it not fresh and new?
> Tom T:
> Why reinvent a vocabulary when we have a common one that we all know
> and we all have the same definition for all the words so there is no
> misunderstanding. The key word here is EXPECT. Well it ain't what you
> expect it is, but what it is. In person it is always fresh and new. It
> is the ever present moment moving on and being entirely new with each
> word.

My experience is different. When the old reference points are gone, its 
new and fresh. No need to use the same old. People might get it. But it 
won't be words that prevent that.

> Vaj writes:
> I can feel whole or wholeness but it does not seem like Grand
> Unification to me (to use TM jargon).
> Does *she* feel she is in BC? Or do others feel she is in BC? I did
> find her very convincing and "right on".
> Tom T:
> Since you missed her unfolding I can only synopsize it by saying she
> had been unfolding for months and the night you tuned in was after she
> had the full understanding of what had transpired. She is very aware
> of the silence that is underneath every thing and also the nothing
> that seems to appear under that. She also has had the transformation
> of understanding that this apparent nothingness is also at the same
> time everything and I think is just a tad beyond what you have been
> quoting from scripture. That is also my experience just so there is no
> confusion. The apparent emptiness of nothing beyond all the steps
> actually is ultimately know to be everything. Again, that is my
> experience.

OK.



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