Vaj said: I would like to know, since in Unity the subtle bodies--the mental body, the bliss body and the transcendent body--are obliterated;
Vaj -- some questions (for others also ) Are these bodies obliterated? Or is it that the sanskaras within them roasted / resolved / healed, but the bodies remain, for now. For example, in turiya, the sanskaras of the pyhsical body are resolved, and the necessity for a new physical body after death of the body is no longer present, however, the jivan-mukti still maintains their physical body for the remainder of their life. Could not the same be true of the other koshas? They are purified and sanskaras resolved, but the body remains -- but like glass -- fully translucent -- a least until the pysical body goes? How do the the mental body, the bliss body and the transcendent body correspond to the koshas: the anna-maya-atma or the "Self (atma) made of Food" the prana-maya-atma or "the Self made of Vital Breath (prana)" the or mana-maya-atma "the Self made of Mind (manas)" the vijnana-maya-atma or "the Self made of Consciousness or intellect (vijnana)" the ananda-maya-atma or "the Self made of Bliss (ananda)", where one attains to Brahman is it: physical body = anna-maya-atma ? mental body = mana-maya-atma ? the bliss body = ananda-maya-atma ? transcendent body = the vijnana-maya-atma? prana-maya-atma = ? causal body = bliss body = ananda-maya-atma ? atral body = the or mana-maya-atma ? How the above correspond to Infinite Mind (Mahat), and Avyakta (the silent, unmanifest)? Are these "behind" certain koshas giving rise to the "Experiencer" ? As in: in CC = Mahat is "Experiencer" ? in GC = Avyakta is "Experiencer" ? in UC Purusha is "Experiencer" ? Is it that the koshas restrict the full nature of each "level" of the Experiencer? For example, is Purusa beyond the bliss body (= ananda-maya-atma), and when this kosha is removed (or its sansakaras neutralized) then Purusha Experiences Purusha in its Fullness? Which would be the Experience of Brahman? In cc / turiya, when physical body's sansakaras are resolved, you indicated that the jivan mukti has Mahat (infinite Mind) as the Experiencer. This different than most TMer's have viewed it or articulated it. In TMO it is viewed as Atman or Purusha-- or westernized, pure consciousness is the Experiencer (Experiencing itself). Rory once described the Experiencer in CC as his solar angel, and at some point that died. That perhaps correlates with the transformation of the Experiencer from Mahat to Avyakta. All such notions are a bit foreign to a TMO framework, however, experiencially, maybe not so inconsistent. For example, the expression of Consciousness experiencing Consciousness fits the experience. But there is not an internal trailmarker that clearly proclaims that experience as "Atman" or "Purusha" or that that "reflection" is ultimate. It is profound, but why ultimate? These terms are used because the TMO usedthem and traditional definitions of them seem to fit. However, IMO the experience could also be cast as Mahat experiencing Mahat -- with the implication that there is something more, beyond that, that is Purusha Experiencing Purusha. Do the "deeper" levels of Experiencer also shine through, a bit in turiya , in other words its mostly the light of Mahat, but has some light of Avyakta and Purusha peeping through, thus giving rise to some degree of Purusha as Experiencer? Well, I am out on the edge of (TMO) heresy at the moment. I am simply being open to more precise frameworks to aid in the articulation of personal experience and their corrletation to traditional markers. Any insights you have on the above frameworks would be appreciated. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
