On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:06 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
But if cc is a state clouded by several sets of remaining, unpurified
koshas, and GC the same, just less koshas, why would it be advantagous
to "regress" back to them at times? While there maybe be further
refinement and purification of "filters" in UC, thus it is not the
ultimate truth (a nebulous concept itself), but again, whay does going
back to more clouded states "help" bring greater clarity?
One of the important criteria I always check when someone claims CC / turiyatita is if the senses remain active during waking dreaming and sleeping. Most will say they do not. No indication that sleep has decreased is another tip-off. The Mandukya Upanishad and it's karika (commentary) are explicit on this: turiya (transcendental consciousness) must become "lord of all": and that includes the senses!
I posted a previous excerpt ( 45359 ) which demonstrates this clearly. They've even done experiments at MIU on the same. Yet some still will convince themselves they are in CC without meeting this important criterion and this essential level of integration.
I question the utility of "THE" seven states of consciousness. It seems better to say "Seven States of Consciousness". I see nothing in Shankara's commentary to the Badarayana-sutra that suggests CC,GC and UC should strung along in a line as a linear sequence. He does differentiate between them, making the samkhya-style realization (CC) dualistic and praises Unity as the supreme. But GC and the Bhagavatin / Vratya style of realization would imply that we all of the sudden become ecstatic bhaktis (I can't help it, I still get the image of people handing out flowers in airports) and take on a different style of practice! Advaita Vedanta, from what I can tell does not even go there: it's jivan-mukti (CC) and videha-mukti (UC). No GC.
In any event, linear models--whether the grandiloquent "THE Seven States of Consciousness" or the 7 or 9 chakras--just aren't necessarily representative of awakening.
I would argue that beyond CC, the most effective way to practice dissolves any real method. The difficulty of higher teachings isn't their complexity--it's their utter simplicity and the taking away of reference points. That what non-referenciality is all about after all: no reference points, no props.
-Vaj
