--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Bob Brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- Bob Brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick > > Archer > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > on 4/2/05 4:23 AM, peterklutz at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > According to this fellow, there's no chance > > that > > > > CC will be mistaken > > > > > > for something else - once it hits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to MMY in his commentary on the > > Gita, > > > > Ch. 4, vs.. 41, > > > > referring to > > > > > CC: "Without proper understanding, even the > > direct > > > > experience of > > > > eternal > > > > > freedom may be found to create confusion and > > > > fear." > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > > > > This quote refers to the onset of witnessing > > > > generated by transcending > > > > during TM, not its stabilization in CC. The > > > > possibility of > > > > misunderstanding and being afraid of witnessing > > is > > > > why it is talked > > > > about in advanced TM lectures, but when CC is > > > > gained, one's self is > > > > permanently unshaken by whatever it witnesses in > > the > > > > phenomenal world. > > > > > > > > The transition from the mental habits of the mind > > in > > > waking state to the mental habits in CC can be > > very > > > uncomfortable. Much fear can be experienced as the > > > mind seeks for a self that no longer exists. In > > waking > > > state the mind seeks and experiences the ego every > > few > > > seconds. It's actually pretty strange, this > > > ego-referral movement, and only noticed in CC. > > This is > > > a mental habit that needs to be pointed out and > > > dropped for many people. > > > -Peter > > > > ****************** > > > > This is such a thorough misunderstanding of what > > Cosmic Consciousness > > is -- you seem to have crafted a definition that > > would allow you to > > see yourself as enlightened (and that's OK, the > > Global Country has > > not crowned me the CC Cop), but it is simply not > > consistent with the > > descriptions in Vedic literature (and also expressed > > by MMY) and with > > the experiences of witnessing that the unenlightened > > (like me) have > > on the way to Cosmic Consciousness. > > > > In CC, far from living in fear for a lost self, one > > lives the self -- > > which is unlimited bliss consciousness -- and merely > > witnesses the > > body and the rest of the creation. Vasistha: > > > > "Freed from all conditioning, fully established in > > the state of > > unmodified consciousness, the yogi remains like a > > child or a dumb > > person: in him there is bliss, like the blueness of > > the sky. This > > bliss is not an experience, but the very nature of > > consciousness. > > Hence, it does not act as a disturbance, but remains > > integrated in > > the consciousness." (p. 318, > > http://tinyurl.com/6xndt ) >
> Bob, that's why I called it a"phase transition". > Perhaps it can be framed as a form of final > unstressing. I don't think that everybody experiences > this, but many do, especially westerners. Obviously > this is not a "final" state, but an opening of > consciousness to itself that profoundly purifies the > mind. > -Peter > ************* Again, you are crafting a unique definition of CC, but it is inherently not a useful one. The Vedic literature (and MMY) defines CC as a stable state, not one in which the self could be unstressing and flip-flopping -- one who has gained CC can never lose the full awareness of the self that has been gained through repeated transcendence via TM. And it's no good to say that you are talking about development of higher states than CC. The self is full in CC, no matter what happens: wake, dream, sleep, death, doesn't matter, the self is never extinguished. Development from CC on is a matter of extending the range of the senses to their celestial value (which is enabled by the production of soma by the one in CC) until one sees the phenomenal world as one's self. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
