--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> --- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > (snip)
> > 
> >  However, when someone starts talking about
> > > experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had
> > > such experiences, if they are speaking out of
> > > conceptual belief or direct experince. 
> > 
> > Just curious, but do you think that in order to talk
> > about CC (for 
> > example) that a person has to be established in that
> > state or can they 
> > just have had moments where their awareness had
> > expanded to that state?
> > 
> > Rick Carlstrom
> 
> Establishment, of course would be best, but any
> "degree" of experience opens the awareness and allows
> the concepts to have an experiential context.
> -Peter(Sri Sri Arrogant-ji)
> 
> 

Thank you for that distinction. Now in these discussions the 
question becomes; is the speaker established in this state or are 
they just remembering how it was? It would seem that one is 
substantially dirrerent from the other.

Rick Carlstrom 





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