--- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > > Ultimately, what must be accomplished, is breath must stop to > > really > > > "get behind reality". It's a death really. Death while living. > > > > Yes, familiar with that death. Not positive it was accompanied at > > that time by complete stoppage of breath -- it might have been. > > Complete stoppage is apparently not necessary now for seeing through > > reality; attention is. Stoppage is also very nice though. > > > > Then > > > jivan-mukti--liberation-while-living is possible. Tom and I were > > > talking on this last week and he added the really relevant point > > is > > > that many who achieve liberation or approach it importantly, all > > have > > > died and come back. We agreed that some can do this consciously. > > But > > > death--stopping breath and stopping time--is key. > > > > Yes, I am not so sure that it is always shorter breaths and stoppage > > (though that be often the case), so much as subtler and subtler > > ones -- not necessarily shallower. The onset of peaceful currents of > > attention, maybe. I am not so quick to completely equate prana with > > breath at all nowadays -- Pranaflow (in its various forms, including > > electromagnetic, either within or without this physical body) seems > > somewhat more to be a function of attention than specifically breath. > > ****** > > > From my Taoist practice I know there is a quality of breath characterized by frictionless > flow, whether the cycle is extremely rapid or extremely slow. I call this the celestial breath, > based on my recollection of a story MMY told once. A bunch of guys did tapas and refined > their breathing so much that they were able to sneak into an assembly of angels. The > angels sniffed them out (literally, detected their odor) and they had to leave. > > L B S
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