--- wayback71 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> For me, this is an interesting idea.  Has me
> thinking in a different way about the struggle 
> to integrate the opposing aspects of MMY's behavior.
>  It is not hard to see peers, friends 
> and family in shades of gray - that they can be
> wonderful in some ways, average in some 
> aspects, and have significant faults in other ways.

I have always found this point very interesting. We
have no problem with our friends and loved-ones having
"faults" and "shortcomings". Our authentic love and
appreciation of them is never ruined by their
occasional asinine behavior or comment. But we need
our gurus and spiritual teachers to be "perfect" (and
what does that even mean?) Perhaps we need a relative
expression of That pristine, empty, complete
consciousness and we burden the limited mind/body of
that guru with that (infantile?) need/projection. Also
there truly (from CC up) is no person or individuality
called MMY. Whatever was left of Brahmachariya Mahesh
"left" many decades ago while he was sitting on a
porch with Guru Dev. There is no ego driving MMY. MMY
is just a point value fully open to THAT. And that
infinite point value behaves in ways that upsets our
point value! Interesting..........
-Peter 













 
> Still, we love them. But gurus and 
> enlightened people were supposed to be perfect, or
> so we once thought.  So, I guess you 
> are saying that what we perceive as "faults" in
> gurus is really something else going on, 
> something useful for ourselves and for others.  This
> is what true believers always use to 
> justify  immoral or unpleasant behavior on the
> guru's part. (I am not calling you a true 
> believer, btw.) I think until I myself have the
> perception to see as you do, it is best to go 
> with some sort of balance between mind, heart and
> gut feelings. Keeps it simple and real, 
> and encourages compassion and basic kindness in all
> of us.  We can all stretch our 
> understanding of what we perceive to an extent, but
> it is dangerous to keep doubting and 
> second guessing our own perceptions and feelings
> beyond a certain point. I know you are 
> not advocating that, - in fact you just had your own
> very real experience.  Sounds as if the 
> entire evening was terrific on every level.
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