--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 4/10/05 2:00 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>
> > 
> > I had few blissful experiences the most powerful one was during a puja. Does
> > this mean I 
> > don't think he is a crook? No.
> 
> I don't have a problem with believing that he has been a crook in addition
> to having made great contributions to my life and the world, by virtue of a
> genuine abundance of consciousness and spiritual wisdom. Contradictory
> qualities, I know, but unfortunately it seems the two can and often
> (usually?) do coexist.
> 
> >I think we are all capable of generating these
> > experiences 
> > within ourselves. They are extremely powerful.
> 
> True, but certain people and atmospheres can be more conducive to generating
> them than others.
> 
> >  These gurus take our spiritual yearning and pervert it for their own 
> > selfish
> > sick desires. 
> 
> True, and if they're doing this consciously it seems pretty bad to me. I
> mean, a young virgin less than half your age comes to you seeking spiritual
> guidance and you end up screwing her repeatedly. She's sort of into it at
> the time (probably totally confused) and later hates your guts for it and
> loses all interest in spirituality. Seems pretty sick to me.
> 
> > I thing 
> > Brigante wins the
> > prize on this group for the most complete disconnect from the reality of
> > Maharishi's 
> > actions and who he thinks he is! OMG a web site devoted to how M is ok and
> > those around 
> > him are responsible for all the bad stuff of the TMO. I think he even has
> > footnotes. It is 
> > probably a daily struggle for him and causes him much heartache (I'm sure he
> > will 
> > disagree.)  
> 
> I think he will, because he probably manages to insulate himself from
> heartache as he manages to insulate himself from accepting obvious,
> well-documented interpretations of things. Maybe the two are the same
> process.
> 
> >I am sure there is the occasional guru figure that has good
> > motives and tries to
> > do something for people. I don't think this happens very often because they
> > would not try 
> > to be gurus and specially revered if they were not egomaniacs or 
> > pathological
> > in some 
> > way.
> 
> That's like saying all politicians are egomaniacs or pathological or they
> wouldn't be politicians. Almost a truism but I think there are a few good
> eggs in both fields.

Less than a few IMO. Good luck in finding them. A wacked out nut job guru is a 
big price 
to pay for "  certain people and atmospheres." I'll light my own incense, thank 
you.





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