The Masters of Wisdom can take people who are ready through
Initiation in the state of dreaming.
>From what I understand, untill the 3'rd Initiation, many people are
unaware that they have been Initiated.
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> > > As an aside, i do believe one can gain knowledge
> > during certain types
> > > of dreams. I think Vaj referred to them as Dreams
> > of Certainty.
> > > Traditionally ther are 5-6 types of dreams, and
> > one type is of gaining
> > > knowledge and insights into the future. I have had
> > such, though its
> > > hard to validate. Some times it feels like the
> > mind and intellect
> > > become multi dimensional e.g., 6 dimensional, in
> > such dream states.
> > > Then when one wakes the 3-D mind just cant remap
> > the 6-D insights and
> > > knowledge to its "smaller" container.
> >
> > "dreams of clarity" (as opposed to "dreams from
> > karmic trace").
> >
> > >
> > > (Thus while I hold it is possible to have valid
> > dreams of MMY
> > > visitations or any saint, the fact that MMY
> > explicitly states that he
> > > does not do so, points towards the conclusion that
> > the above cites are
> > > not "Dreams of Certainty". Else some bizzare mind
> > juggling acrobatic
> > > justifactions are necessary. While the TMO trained
> > many well in this,
> > > it doesn't make them valid.)
> > >
> >
> > Well this is interesting that MMY said this, as it
> > really gives a final
> > answer. In general, unless one has guru-mantra or
> > guru-yoga--or dream
> > yoga practice, it can be questionable as to dreams
> > value. If they arise
> > from a particular practice, you will already know
> > what to expect or it
> > will generally be obvious as to what they are
> > telling you.
>
> I had been meditating 2 1/2 before the expereince. I
> was actually having a dream when everything shifted. I
> woman leaned in front of me and said, "Peter?" This
> intensely focused my attention. She left and MMY
> appeared from the left with an ornate, small square
> gold bowlfilled with oil. He had a stern look on his
> face. With a little spoon he splashed the oil on my
> third eye, on my heart, and then on the pubic bone.
> When the oil hit my pubic bone a huge blast of energy
> shot up my spine and I jolted awake in bed with
> kundalini racing up my spine and moving in the body.
> Interesting experience.
> -Peter
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