Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My Dinner with Dr. Mahapatra

[rudra_joe]

> ---You keep saying this. I am suffering, always. Always. I go from thing to thing always wanting more. Rory: Bingo! Only "I" is suffering; the rest is a mirror. But actually, no "I" don't. That is Self (or non-self if you prefer) believing it is the dream, believing it is self, the ego, some thought/feeling or other; that which changes. When we impose some condition on what IS, we suffer.   ---Yeah RudraJoe: >When I'm hungry I feel weak. Rory: Yes, when the body is hungry it feels weak. So? ----Yeah, So share people share. RudraJoe: >When I run out of weed my mind gets really pitta and feels like exploding.  Like now. Rory: Yes, the mind feels like exploding. So?   ----So share people share. RudraJoe: >No suffering? Good for you. The suffering I feel is the source of my desire for liberation. Rory: How the hell can you desire what you already ARE? Fool! :-)   ----Yeah, that which is hungry desires food. That which is suffering desires freedom from suffering. Life is desire, no desire is no life. Nirvana. That which feels nothing goes on. RudraJoe: >And always was. The fact of constant change makes all relative solutions invalid. Rory: Bingo. So? Why keep on identifying with them then? Obviously attempting to identify with impermanence causes suffering. Nature's way of telling us we are thinking something incorrect, something which IS not.   ----Nature delights in diversity, and impermanence. The only thing nature is telling me is to score. RudraJoe: >Sure, I absolutely don't suffer, as when I stepped out of time when my father died. But karmically speaking, I have been caught up in suffering since I entered the womb and every day and moment since then. Rory: Yes, constantly identifying with the movie of one's own projecting. Suffering.   .... RudraJoe: >Except when I was fucked up or in samadhi. But my guess is also that if you were you wouldn't be asking vapid questions.  Rory: I am here because I have absolutely nothing better to do than to better Understand You, and so to better Understand mySelf.   ----But you're not helping me so much as words don't bring home the bacon. Except sometimes. RudraJoe: >If we understand that we are the Absolute then can we understand that someone must cook and someone must wash dishes. Otherwise, no cooking, no eating, much suffering. Rory: Still drawing a distinction between Absolute and Relative. Both just concepts. What IS, is neither Absolute nor Relative -- isn't it?   ----Yeah, some good points. RudraJoe: >Heaven on Earth is right now, as I have always maintained, but being relative heaven must also change and so is not a solution to misery. Rory: Can't pin our "oughts" and shoulds" on anything; that way lies madness. Relative is just a concept. Inside and outside, self and other are just concepts. Believing in concepts implies suffering.   ----Believing in concepts implies a mind not in touch with the Ground of Being. RudraJoe: Nonetheless, heaven must be served, how do you take yours?  I would be glad to hook it up if I could. Rory: Love you, Kirk! Thanks for trying so hard. I do appreciate it. We already are what we're striving for; we just forget sometimes.   ----I remember, but I have soo much energy that I'm going berserk with it. Thanks for being so vast. Your Buddha-buddy :-)   Likewise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.