Hey thanks Kirk for giving it some thought. You are a brilliant and 
insightful man, WITH STRONG OPINIONS!

All the Best,

Jim


--- In [email protected], "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> I understand, but by screaming at them if they are as ignorant as 
> you are proclaiming, they will just heap scorn upon you, think you 
> are crazy and go blithely about their ways. It honestly 
accomplishes 
> nothing, except allowing you to vent.
> 
> 
> ----Venting is ok. Nothing lost, but maybe someone with some sense 
might get a clue.
> 
> 
> I've thought long and hard about the perennial subtext of many 
> messages here; if Maharishi is so enlightened, then why is the 
> Movement [that he started] so awful?
> 
> ----Because he's actually ignorant. No?  being diabetic and eating 
ice cream for a week is ignorant. Then touting ayurveda above 
medicine and still using medicine is the wrong message. He's very 
backwards. I bet you anything on earth that in The Mid East you will 
find some of the most charismatic and peaceful, beautiful shaktifull 
people you've ever gotten darshan from --- who are throwbacks to the 
dark ages.
> 
> Perhaps it is because he and Guru Dev have set the goal of 
> enlightening the world in one lifetime; obviating ~250 generations 
> of ignorance times about 8 billion souls on the planet.
> 
> ----Fanatical thinking at best, completely blind and dullwitted at 
worst. How can you enlighten 8 billion people when not a single 
Movement person is enlightened as per maharishi's own definition? 
Hahahahah.  You lose!
> 
> That can't be easy! And who does he attract? Probably a lot of 
> desperate people, who indulge in the same ignorant games within 
the 
> Movement as they would've outside it.
> 
> ----He failed!
> 
> And at the same time, he must continue to move the ball forward so 
> to speak; continue to enlarge the spread and breadth of his 
> Knowledge, while maintaining its purity. 
> 
> ----Yada yada.  His knowledge. BS. His borrowed knowledge and his 
phoney holy tradition.
> 
> I was fortunate in that I worked for the Movement for two and a 
half 
> years when I really had nothing else to do, worked hard, earned my 
> benefits, made my conclusions, and moved on. No money lost, 
learned 
> the TM-Sidhis program and did lots of rounding. Salary was $5 to 
> $25/month, room and board fit for a serf, but who cares, I wasn't 
in 
> it for the money or power.
> 
> ----So you don't feel used then.
> 
> I was aware there were people there, pretty clueless actually who 
> were in it for their own aggrandizement (big fish in a little pond 
> syndrome I call it). Whatever, that is their business and their 
> problem and I'll have nothing to do with it.
> 
> ----I never had anything to do with it, and I still don't. 
> 
> My advice (since you asked, ha ha)would be to just let it go.
> 
> ---Well what else can I do Jim. I let go with a yell. If Jesus, 
and Buddha, and Shankara, and Nanak all couldn't enlighten the 
world, and they left legacies which still resonate, inspire us to 
build worlds of greatness in our hearts and not in the streets, and 
which still guide, based on aspiration to be moral, compasionate and 
wise, then what makes someone think that some medieval throwback to 
some nonexistant dreamed of reality called Vedic civilization, 
ostensably merely some fantasy, how can such a master of dimness 
take the world to some higher ground. It's Bullshit. Maharishi is 
bullshit, and I could also give someone a technique that I merely 
shitted out on a shingle, with some great high falutin philosophy 
and it would move someone and they would follow, then give me their 
bodies and souls and money and children's money, and guess what. If 
I was a megalomaniac I would take it, and ask for more. Bye for now. 
> 
> Jim
>   






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