--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "Llundrub"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Somtimes though,  people simple don't read
> whats
> > > on the page. They
> > > > hear what their innards think the person must
> be
> > > saying, based on some
> > > > stereotype, or simplistic representation, the
> > > person has been tagged
> > > > with by the reader's mental and emotional
> worlds.
> > > >    
> > > > 
> > > > btw, welcome back vashti.   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----Yeah, like how Ron merely read half of my
> post
> > > and then decided
> > > to comment upon it.
> > > 
> > > Ron ?
> > 
> > You arrogant, self-centerd basta.....wait, I'm
> sorry
> > akasha, that's me I'm talking about!
> > -Me
> 
> 
> Ah, Brother Peter, your comments are indeed
> insightful and wise. 
> 
> As I read it, you are commenting on the question and
> paradox of
> projection -- or projecting ones inner models and
> biases onto the
> words or motivations of another. Your comment, while
> appropriately
> making fun of my prior comments about your words (it
> was your words
> and style that I found arrogant, not you (were my
> words clear on that,
> hmm, if not I should, as always, strive to write
> more clearly)) point
>  to an important question: what is NOT projection? 
> 
> It can be a hallway of infinite mirrors: did I see
> arrogance in your
> words because that is what I am, and can not help
> but see that in
> others? Is your humerous response because you see
> some shortcoming in
> me that is really a projection of your own
> shortcomings?
> 
> I own up to having arrogance within me, and any
> number of other less
> than virtuous qualities. Does that mean that i see
> arrogance
> everywhere and in everything? No, because that is
> not the case.
> 
> So the reverse side of the big question is: when is
> an observation
> projection and when is it insight?
> 
> These questions recognize that all have filters,
> even lasyavidya in
> liberation provides certain filters that correspond
> to personal
> preference, ways of categorizing the world, people,
> etc.  
> 
> My current take on this (perhaps stemming from
> innate qualites that I
> am projecting) is that all observations are not
> necessarily
> projections -- but most observations are subject to
> subtle and even
> quite blatant projections -- distortions built into
> our own
> interpretative filters. 
> 
> The intellect, daily sharpened, has a role in
> looking hard at what is,
> and unfiltering the internal filters, helping to lay
> them aside. 
> 
> Thats why I mentioned the observation that people
> often / sometimes
> don't even read the words that are on the page.
> Their filters kick in,
> perhaps in a pitta moment, and all becomes a cloud
> of dust, with light
> now difussed and distorted in myriad of ways  as it
> tries to pass
> thru, but instead is reflected off, the dust.
> 
> Sometimes there is so much dust strewn about that
> even a calm reminder
> to "just look at the words"  raises even more dust.
> I have noticed
> recently, and numerous times in the past, that a
> simple request to
> simply try to map  the words in question to ones
> reaction is met with
> hostility and rebuke-- and humerously enough, no
> actual attempt at
> such mapping.  
> 
> Maya is the most subtle, and blatant of these
> filters -- and refined
> intellect has a role, not THE (exclusive) role in
> extracting the real
> from the unreal, the complete from the uncomplete.
> 
> --- from the dustbin, Akasha

Hmmm. Let's have some tasty gulab jamin and look at
the ocean.




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