--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 5/1/05 10:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there in the 
Bible,
> > Bob.
> >> Sal
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote:
> >> 
> > 
> >>>  What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." 
The
> >>>  facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan."
> > 
> > **********
> > 
> > My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience 
of
> > 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the
> > little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop,
> > and I can proceed through the crosswalk. I push the little TM 
button,
> > and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, 
when
> > adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, 
can
> > create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call 
this "faith,"
> > but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based 
on my
> > own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit.
> 


> I agree with everything you say above, but since facts clearly 
demonstrate
> that many things M says are not true (not only predictions, but 
contemporary
> observations) one has to come to terms somehow with the 
discrepancy. That's
> what a lot of us are trying to do here.

*********

I've seen MMY stumble walking down stairs, and certainly stuff like 
appearances at the Beach Boys concert (to give a TM lecture in front 
of kids who were waiting to hear the Boys perform) is a mistake, but 
these are merely tactical errors. The life-supporting influence of 
MMY is always right, and the big picture, the strategy, of the TM 
movement is right.

Some of MMY observations are meant to be encouraging to ignorant 
people, like one tells a child trying to learn to ride a bike, not 
intended as holy writ. Recently MMY said at a press conference that 
it could take hundreds of centuries before the pundits made India 
Vedic. Frank talk like this may be discouraging to people, so he 
usually says things that predict quick success -- being truthful 
means being life-supporting. There is the old story of a sage sitting 
at a crossroads when an obviously distressed man runs by -- in a few 
moments, some bandits who were chasing the victim appeared and asked 
which way their mark went. The sage sent them down the wrong road. 
This was not factually true, but it was true to the life-supporting 
values that wise men follow, so it was true. Guru Dev sent MMY to 
enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may 
have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully 
accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission.  





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