The following responses are based on "my" own experiences (is that good akasha? ;-):
--- Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Individuality is a very curious delusion. When > > identification of consciousness with mind ceases, > > there is no longer an individual. Everything goes > on > > as before, but there is no longer a "doer" or > > "decider" who has intent. There's just nobody > home. > > The individual doesn't even become "unbounded." > "You" > > simply cease to exist. > > -Peter > > > **** > > I think this is a too general simplification. The > term individual has > many aspects to it. > I would say that when the identification of > consciousness with mind > ceases, there is not anymore an ego as a contraction > of awareness, who > wants to be somebody and wants to be seen as > somebody. Agree. There is nobody to want or not want anything. > When that > entity ceases to exist, you have no need to be seen > as enlightened, > something special, superior to others. Agree. There is no individual to want or not want anything. There is no individual to enter into any superior or inferior relationship with anybody. > Rather you > see the same life > force in others as in you. > Still there is a clear sense of individuality left. No. There is no individuality in Self Realization. > An I, who > observes, makes interpretations, creates plans, > acts, and reacts, and > often quite differently than the others. Observation occurs, interpretation occurs, creating plans occurs, action occurs and reaction occurs, but there simply is no "one" doing it. > And intents > there are still > on the gross level. But one realizes that you cannot > have intents or > control the impulses on the subtlest level. There is no individuality on any level, gross or subtle. Individuality is a delusion. > This has > always been the > case, you just become aware of it. True. You realize that you never existed at all! > And possibly you learn to constructively co-operate > with those > impulses. If you resist those impulses or you cannot > consciously > contain them ( this is quite often the case), they > can get acted out > in odd or disastrous ways. Again, you are assuming an individuality that does or does not do these things. In Self-Realization it becomes quite clear that there is no individual doing or not doing anything. It can not be understood from waking state. This is not arrogance or an attempt to malign someone in waking state, but you can not extrapolate experience from waking state to understand CC. It's impossible. All waking state models fall completely apart. -Peter > In this light, and with this kind of experience, I > have very difficult > to understand the TM-siddhi techniques at all. > > Irmeli > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
