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--- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's Akasha's name again. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: akasha_108 > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:06 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > > > Maybe you hit the wrong post. This post was Akasha responding to an > Anon who what commenting on an Akasha post. No Jim involved in this > particular post. And no Tom. And Akasha is a guy. > > > --- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was responding to Jim responding to Lup responding to god knows > what. What's your name again? I always thought Akasha was a woman. Are > you a man now? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: akasha_108 > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:26 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. > Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > > > > > > To which Prick are you referring? Neither is a Tom to my knowledge. > > (There are so many anons who would know if one were Tom.) And Akasha > > is not a Tom. > > > > Regardless, your comments bear at least a slight sense of irony. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Tom you think you're such a fucking expert about everything. But you > > know what? You're more miserable than you were two years ago. You used > > to not be a know it all and you were nice. Now you're a know it all > > and you're a prick. Surely enlightenment didn't result in more thorns? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: akasha_108 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:29 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward Projection vs. > > Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > In my experience, it is fun to contemplate such issues. And > thank > > > > you to each and every one of you who contributed to this thread. > > > > > > > > But, having noticed that even deep immersement in these ideas > > over a > > > > period of years has not resulted in a gestalt awakening to > what is > > > > really happening here, I go about my business as usual. Such > > > > metaphysical questions appear to get burnt up in the searing > > heat of > > > > life lived in the present. > > > > > > > > I have heard that some do awaken to the true nature of > things as a > > > > result of this kind of self-inquiry, and so, do not condemn it > > > > outright. But I wonder sometimes at its utility. In under an > > hour, I > > > > am sure that someone familiar with the various conceptual > nuances > > > > and schools of thought on the topics of I, ego, doer, > > individuality, > > > > self etc., could lay them all out so that anyone of reasonably > > > > developed intellect could grasp the ideas and check on how well > > they > > > > relate to their own experience. After that, what is the point, > > > > unless it is to check in once every few years to see if one's > > > > perspective has changed due to the clearing of fog or the > shifting > > > > of mirrors? > > > > > > (Sorry Akasha for this linear thinking, non-gestalt > > > > conclusion - I don't fully mean it...am just stating how I > feel at > > > > the moment.) > > > > > > > > > For the most part, the intellect thinks in a sequential, linear > > > fashion. I am not advocating anyone to try to abondon that at > all -- I > > > don't think thats possible. What does occur at times though, > is that > > > after examining various parts of a puzzle, in a systematic, linear > > > fashion, the various parts can "flash" -- fuse in new ways, > providing > > > new insight. > > > > > > Sometimes the linear analysis and (sometimes) subsequent > "flash" are > > > based on symbolic processing -- that is, its a logical > refinement and > > > manipulation of concepts / abstractions -- sort of like solving an > > > algebraic equations where the variables are concepts. > Concepts and > > > abstractions are the "content" of the processing. > > > > > > On the other hand, a different type of linear processing can > occur, > > > also resulting in a, often later, gestalt-typr flash. However, > now the > > > elements being processed, the content, the data being crunched, is > > > experiential. Or, sometimes a mixture of conceptual elelments and > > > experiential elements. The post linear analysis phase, the > "flash" -- > > > fuses concepts and/or experience in new relationships and can > result > > > in a new experiential foundation. > > > > > > The best analogy I can think of to explain the fusion of > conceptual > > > and experiential elements -- each originally approached in > very linear > > > systematic fashion, and it is only an analogy, is in learning > a new > > > skill or sport. For example, for those that play tennis, a > top-spin > > > serve becomes a valuable tool -- particularly as a second > serve. It > > > almost always goes in, even when hit full force, and can be > made to > > > bounce so high to an opponent's weaker side that it is hard to > return > > > -- and further, can get the opponent out of position. > > > > > > When I was a kid and a teacher explained the top-spin serve to > me, I > > > didnt get it. I got the concept, I got the mechanics. But I > could not > > > "do it", I couldn't make it an experience. Later, some time later, > > > fooling around, I found I could make my serves really "kick" > by doing > > > this "thing" that I could not explain, but could do. Some time > later, > > > the concept and the experience fused in a flash, and I > tealized what > > > I was doing was a self-learned top-spin serve. I then reused the > > > conceptual understanding of top-spin to refine and clarify the > > > mechanics of the "experience" and the feel of doing it. Soon, > it was > > > just locked in. > > > > > > The point is, you don't attempt to think gestaltly, nonlinearly. I > > > don't know how to do that -- other than to set up the > conditions that > > > let that happen. And that is to sharply look at different > parts of an > > > issue or problem in a linear systematic fashion. And then, in > a sense, > > > let go. And in time, sometimes, or often, a more holistic, > > > multi-component (symbols and /or experiential elements) creat a > > > "flash" of insight, almost as if the fusion of the elements > creates > > > energy and light. > > > > > > The broader point is that I have found that periodically > > > systematically and intensely examining the components of the > identity > > > / ownership / ego / consciousness puzzle, looking at and > questioning > > > different views, various conceptual elements begand to flash / > fuse -- > > > and over time these "insights" flashed/fused with experiential > > > elements. The result is that it is a clear experience that > there is no > > > driver to this machine, no-doer in charge of this apparatus > > > (intellect, mind, senses, motor skills): that the apparati are > > > intelligent self-adaptive, ever learning, ever-correcting, > > > self-suficient, yet intertwined, interacting elements. > > > > > > This process is not adharmic, its not a muddle. > > > > > > And in particular that the decider, the intellect, the buddhi, the > > > pre-frontal cortex mechanisms, are not in charge. Nothing is. > Other > > > than the design of the apparati. Which may be "intelligent > design" or > > > "evolutionary design" -- it doesn't matter. The point is the > apparati > > > has an inherently powerful design that dynamically moves > forward, and > > > self-corrects, by many means, many learned -- and thus (its > > > corrective,self-balancing mechanisms) are expanding and > becoming more > > > subtle and natural. > > > > > > What remains, beyond the apparati unfolding according to its > nature > > > and design, is that glow/light of awareness -- devoid of content, > > > self-sufficient. > > > > > > This all may have nothing to do with the awakening or > realization that > > > others report. It may have little to do with what various texts > > > report. However, it is a clear experience of no-doer, no driver to > > > this machine, and an awareness of awareness which is not > distorted by > > > what is seen, or done or thought. > > > > > > The process that cultivated this is not adharmic, its not a > muddle, it > > > is not a waste of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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