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So is your last name
108?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:26
PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv.
Do
A - k - a - s- h - a
Need I go
slower? :)
--- In [email protected],
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...>
wrote:
> What's Akasha's name again.
>
----- Original Message -----
> From: akasha_108
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 10:06
PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality: Outward
Projection vs.
Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do
>
>
> Maybe you hit the wrong post. This post was Akasha
responding to an
> Anon who what commenting on an Akasha
post. No Jim involved in this
> particular post. And no Tom.
And Akasha is a guy.
>
>
> --- In
[email protected], "Llundrub"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > I was responding to
Jim responding to Lup responding to god knows
> what. What's
your name again? I always thought Akasha was a woman. Are
>
you a man now?
> > ----- Original Message
-----
> > From: akasha_108
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:26
PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Individuality: Outward Projection vs.
> Inner Subjective
Sense of No Indiv. Do
> >
> >
> > To which Prick are you referring?
Neither is a Tom to my
knowledge.
> >
(There are so many anons who would know if one were Tom.)
And
Akasha
> > is not a
Tom.
> >
> >
Regardless, your comments bear at least a slight sense of
irony.
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> > --- In
[email protected], "Llundrub"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Tom you think you're such a fucking expert about
everything.
But you
> > know what? You're
more miserable than you were two years ago.
You used
>
> to not be a know it all and you were nice. Now you're a
know
it all
> > and you're a prick. Surely
enlightenment didn't result in more
thorns?
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: akasha_108
> > > To:
[email protected]
> >
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 8:29 PM
>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Individuality:
Outward
Projection vs.
> > Inner
Subjective Sense of No Indiv. Do
> > >
> > >
>
> > --- In [email protected],
anonymousff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
wrote:
> > > > In my
experience, it is fun to contemplate such issues. And
>
thank
> > > > you to each
and every one of you who contributed to this
thread.
>
> > >
> >
> > But, having noticed that even deep immersement in
these
ideas
> > over a
> > > > period of years
has not resulted in a gestalt awakening to
> what is
> > > > really happening
here, I go about my business as usual.
Such
>
> > > metaphysical questions appear to get
burnt up in the searing
> > heat of
> > > > life lived in the
present.
> > > >
> > > > I have heard that
some do awaken to the true nature of
> things as a
> > > > result of this
kind of self-inquiry, and so, do not
condemn it
>
> > > outright. But I wonder sometimes at its
utility. In under an
> > hour, I
> > > > am sure that
someone familiar with the various conceptual
> nuances
> > > > and schools of
thought on the topics of I, ego, doer,
> >
individuality,
> > > >
self etc., could lay them all out so that anyone of
reasonably
> > > > developed
intellect could grasp the ideas and check on
how well
>
> they
> > >
> relate to their own experience. After that, what is the
point,
> > > > unless it is to
check in once every few years to see if
one's
>
> > > perspective has changed due to the
clearing of fog or the
> shifting
>
> > > of mirrors?
>
> >
> > >
(Sorry Akasha for this linear thinking, non-gestalt
>
> > > conclusion - I don't fully mean it...am
just stating how I
> feel at
>
> > > the moment.)
>
> >
> > >
> > > For the most part, the
intellect thinks in a sequential,
linear
>
> > fashion. I am not advocating anyone to try
to abondon that at
> all -- I
>
> > don't think thats possible. What does occur
at times though,
> is that
>
> > after examining various parts of a puzzle,
in a
systematic, linear
> >
> fashion, the various parts can "flash" -- fuse in new
ways,
> providing
> >
> new insight.
> > >
> > > Sometimes the linear
analysis and (sometimes) subsequent
> "flash"
are
> > > based on symbolic
processing -- that is, its a logical
> refinement
and
> > > manipulation of
concepts / abstractions -- sort of like
solving an
>
> > algebraic equations where the variables are
concepts.
> Concepts and
>
> > abstractions are the "content" of the
processing.
> > >
>
> > On the other hand, a different type of
linear processing can
> occur,
>
> > also resulting in a, often later,
gestalt-typr flash. However,
> now the
>
> > elements being processed, the content, the
data being
crunched, is
> >
> experiential. Or, sometimes a mixture of
conceptual
elelments and
> >
> experiential elements. The post linear analysis phase,
the
> "flash" --
> >
> fuses concepts and/or experience in new relationships and
can
> result
> >
> in a new experiential foundation.
>
> >
> > >
The best analogy I can think of to explain the fusion of
>
conceptual
> > > and
experiential elements -- each originally approached in
>
very linear
> > > systematic
fashion, and it is only an analogy, is in learning
> a
new
> > > skill or sport. For
example, for those that play tennis, a
>
top-spin
> > > serve becomes a
valuable tool -- particularly as a second
> serve.
It
> > > almost always goes
in, even when hit full force, and can be
> made
to
> > > bounce so high to an
opponent's weaker side that it is hard to
>
return
> > > -- and further,
can get the opponent out of position.
> >
>
> > > When I was a kid
and a teacher explained the top-spin serve to
> me,
I
> > > didnt get it. I got
the concept, I got the mechanics. But I
> could
not
> > > "do it", I couldn't
make it an experience. Later, some
time later,
>
> > fooling around, I found I could make my
serves really "kick"
> by doing
>
> > this "thing" that I could not explain, but
could do. Some time
> later,
>
> > the concept and the experience fused
in a flash, and I
> tealized what
>
> > I was doing was a self-learned top-spin
serve. I then
reused the
> >
> conceptual understanding of top-spin to refine and clarify
the
> > > mechanics of the
"experience" and the feel of doing it. Soon,
> it
was
> > > just locked in.
> > >
>
> > The point is, you don't attempt to think
gestaltly,
nonlinearly. I
> >
> don't know how to do that -- other than to set up
the
> conditions that
> >
> let that happen. And that is to sharply look at
different
> parts of an
> >
> issue or problem in a linear systematic fashion. And then,
in
> a sense,
> >
> let go. And in time, sometimes, or often, a more
holistic,
> > >
multi-component (symbols and /or experiential elements)
creat
a
> > > "flash" of insight,
almost as if the fusion of the elements
>
creates
> > > energy and
light.
> > >
>
> > The broader point is that I have found that
periodically
> > >
systematically and intensely examining the components of
the
> identity
> >
> / ownership / ego / consciousness puzzle, looking at
and
> questioning
> >
> different views, various conceptual elements begand to flash
/
> fuse --
> >
> and over time these "insights" flashed/fused with
experiential
> > > elements.
The result is that it is a clear experience that
> there is
no
> > > driver to this
machine, no-doer in charge of this apparatus
>
> > (intellect, mind, senses, motor skills):
that the apparati are
> > >
intelligent self-adaptive, ever learning, ever-correcting,
>
> > self-suficient, yet intertwined, interacting
elements.
> > >
>
> > This process is not adharmic, its not a
muddle.
> > >
>
> > And in particular that the decider, the
intellect, the
buddhi, the
> >
> pre-frontal cortex mechanisms, are not in charge. Nothing
is.
> Other
> >
> than the design of the apparati. Which may be
"intelligent
> design" or
>
> > "evolutionary design" -- it doesn't matter.
The point is the
> apparati
>
> > has an inherently powerful design that
dynamically moves
> forward, and
>
> > self-corrects, by many means, many learned
-- and thus (its
> > >
corrective,self-balancing mechanisms) are expanding and
>
becoming more
> > > subtle and
natural.
> > >
>
> > What remains, beyond the apparati unfolding
according to its
> nature
>
> > and design, is that glow/light of awareness
-- devoid of
content,
> > >
self-sufficient.
> > >
> > > This all may have
nothing to do with the awakening or
> realization
that
> > > others report. It
may have little to do with what various
texts
>
> > report. However, it is a clear experience of
no-doer, no
driver to
> > >
this machine, and an awareness of awareness which is not
>
distorted by
> > > what is
seen, or done or thought.
> > >
> > > The process that
cultivated this is not adharmic, its not a
> muddle,
it
> > > is not a waste of
time.
> > >
>
> >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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> > >
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> >
> > >
> > >
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