--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> You certainly don't read very carefully Barry. Maybe that hampster
> analogy does fit.
> 
> 

lol
oy, my belly, lol

> 
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Akasha_108 wrote a lot of stuff -- 322 lines of stuff, in fact, 
> > about the issue in the subject line.  While I appreciate the 
effort, 
> > what he/she is talking about strikes me as pure theory, and I 
really 
> > can't getit up for an argument about pure theory right now.
> > 
> > IMO, if one is NOT *living* every day, 24/7, at the level at 
> > which "I am not the doer" is an ever-present reality, then anyone 
> > who tries to present that view AS reality is merely defending an 
> > idea, and is possibly somewhat attached to that idea.
> > 
> > Me, that's not my perception of reality.  Therefore I cannot 
pretend 
> > that "I am not the doer" represents reality.  I am open to the 
> > possibility that it might be, someday.  I am also open to the 
> > possibility that even then it might be nothing more than Just One 
> > More Passing State Of Attention.
> > 
> > Because I'm basically a pragmatic sorta guy, I have to go with 
the 
> > pragmatic approach.  My perception is that I have free will; 
> > therefore it is in my interest and in the interest of dharma for 
me 
> > to exercise it.
> > 
> > I think that a lot of people who hold to predeterminism and 
the "I 
> > am not the doer" idea as an ideal are possibly just trying to 
escape 
> > responsibility for their actions and responsibility for their own 
> > self discovery.  They *want* everything to be run by some outside 
> > agency (or "internal outside agency").  I tend to label this 
> > approach to self discovery as the "Beam me up Scotty" theory of 
> > enlightenment.  :-)
> > 
> > I'm not like that; I'm basically an occultist, willing to make my 
> > own decisions and take responsibility for my own self discovery.  
I 
> > like looking at things that way.  Other people's mileage may 
vary, 
> > and that's cool...
> > 
> > Unc




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