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Yeah, the view holds one over when
the shit hits the fan. It's a good cane for when one steps on glass. It equates
easily in daily life and always showers one with wisdom. It clarifies the
obscure, and shows one what others are exactly, because in the view is the
mirror. Nothing can be clearer. With the view one is entirely without
fear. The view is unable to be burned, wet, dried, or hairstyled. May you find
the view hairstyling in the mirror.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv.
Do
Good morning Uncle T:
On May 13, 2005, at 9:11 AM,
TurquoiseB wrote:
> That's actually one reason I asked. There
are some
> schools of thought (like TM, when I was around) that
>
suggest that once realized, enlightenment is perma-
> nent. There
are others that believe that it can come
> and go. I tend to
believe the latter, for many reasons.
Well the question is, "how do you
know it is permanent" if you believe
that? There is a good answer to this,
but to be honest, these methods
aren't even taught in an intro-type
meditation like TM! Nonetheless,
some claim this. None seem to
understand the way of telling this or why
this can happen.
I have
observed time and time again that if I point out some element
that seems
flawed in their View--instead of admitting this, they just
come back a day
or a week later claiming some new experience that
includes it. It would be
hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
In every single case where someone has
claimed to enlightened a la "TM"
their View (their inner POV/cosmology)
matched precisely the vague
definitions MMY has given, often slightly
embellished with a
sprinkling of Neo-Vedanta or some Byron Katie
thrown in--but
none...NONE...give the full View of these states as more
generally
described. So far none could demonstrate the ability to perform
all the
Siddhis (or one for that matter).
I realize this is
unpopular to say, but it is my true observation.
>
> Now, if
the latter were true, and one had begun to have
> enlightenment
experiences, had announced them to the
> world, and then those
experiences faded, what does
> one do?
Hopefully find a
cave.
>
> How many would have the strength of character to
go
> back to all those people one had announced one's
>
enlightenment to and say, "Ooops?"
It's unheard of.
>
>
In several traditions this situation has come up often
> enough that
they don't recommend talking about one's
> experiences as permanent
until they have been present
> 24/7 for ten years or so.
That
makes sense. The state of Unity can be quite stable and can last
hours,
days, months, etc. This is why I emphasize "gaining certainty of
the View"
rather than constant attachment to the idea of enlightenment.
IME TM'ers
are very attached to the Fruit.
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