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Maharishi is defining the value, in
money for his lineage.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Individuality: Outward Projection vs. Inner Subjective Sense of No Indiv.
Do
Which raises again a point of interest: what is the value
(much less
the meaning) of the "title" of enlightenment? Everyone has some
sort
of experience and knowledge right now. It appears presumtuous to
know,
much less claim that this is the "end-state", much less that it is
a
permanent end-state. And presumes or implies a fair amount
of
attention on the future. An apparent contradiction.
If unbounded,
unrestrictedness is here now, what more is needed?
If unbounded,
unrestrictedness is not here now, focusing on a future
state won't help
much.
--- In [email protected], "Rick"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a book that addresses this
idea, it's called:
>
> "Halfway up the Mountain, The Error of
Premature Claims to
> Enlightenment" by Mariana Caplan, Hohm
Press
>
> I read it over a year ago so it's not too fresh in my
mind but I do
> remember thinking that how did I know that the people
in the book
> were qualified to decide wether or not someone was in
fact
> enlightened or not. The book though, is a very rich source of
quotes
> and short dialogues from dozens of teachers representing many
> spiritual schools.
>
> Rick Carlstrom
>
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > Just as a
question to the folks participating in this
> > > > discussion,
do you assume that enlightenment, once
> > > > realized, is
permanent? Since I've been away from TM
> > > > and its
teachings for 20+ years, I'm trying to find out
> > > > whether
we're on the "same page" here. I certainly do
> > > > not
assume this, based both on teachings I respect and
> > > > the
personal experiences of myself and others (periods
> > > > of
enlightenment can just come and go). The teachings
> > >
> were Tibetan in origin, and have to do with ways in
> > >
> which one can definitely mess up after realization of
> > >
> enlightenment and make it "go away." TIA,
> > >
> > > There are several on this list who claim to be permanently
> > > enlightened--perhaps they could answer this
question?
> >
> > That's actually one reason I asked.
There are some
> > schools of thought (like TM, when I was around)
that
> > suggest that once realized, enlightenment is perma-
>
> nent. There are others that believe that it can come
> >
and go. I tend to believe the latter, for many reasons.
> >
> > Now, if the latter were true, and one had begun to have
>
> enlightenment experiences, had announced them to the
> > world,
and then those experiences faded, what does
> > one do?
> >
> > How many would have the strength of character to go
>
> back to all those people one had announced one's
> >
enlightenment to and say, "Ooops?"
> >
> > In several
traditions this situation has come up often
> > enough that they
don't recommend talking about one's
> > experiences as permanent
until they have been present
> > 24/7 for ten years or so.
>
>
> > Unc
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