So the difference is Ram = "rum" a short "a" vs. Raam = "rahm" like "rahhhhhhhhmmmmm" Correct?
--- t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ram is a fire mantra? > > Rick, Ram, with short 'a' is indeed a fire-mantra > and is in the center > of the Manipura chakra, which is not the second as > Vaj says, but the > third chakra. > See it > here:http://www.sics.se/~piak/yoga/yantra/chakra/gif/Manipura.gif > > The Raam used as a mantra most probably in the > beginning of the > movement, and highly eulogized by the scriptures, > such as the Ramayana > and the Ramacharitmanas has a long 'A', and is seen > as universally > beneficial. The Hindu scriptures equate it with God, > some even say > that the mantra is higher than God himself. See the > difference here: > http://www.devyani.com/mt/gra/ram1.gif > Raajaaraam, look at the last three letters and see > the difference. > So Vaj is confusing these two mantras. Also the > named scriptures , and > almost all Hindu scriptures eulogize mantra japa, > and don't see it as > a beginners technique. Many of the greatest Hindu > saints advocate > nothing but Japa, that can carry you all the way > through.You may also > remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the > bithplace of Raama, > and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana > and the > Ramacharitmanas. I am not aware of any Hindu > scripture calling it a > preparatory technique. I think Vaj is confusing here > Hindu teachings > with Buddhist teachings. > In Buddhist teachings such techniques as Mahamudra > (or Dzochen or > Maha-Ati respectively) are regarded as highest > meditation techniques. > The principles of these techniques are very similar > to TM, in that > they don't allow for effort or any attempt to modify > ones > consciousness. Consciousness is always perfect and > aware of itself, > and it should not be attempted to be altered > according to Dzogchen. > Dzogchen does not rely on props like a mantra, but > relies on the > energy transmission of the 'true view' by a Dzogchen > master. > > Tibetan Buddhism has absorped many Hindu teachings > and has attemped to > classify them within their own system, like Guru > Yoga etc. and have > put them within the framework of their own theory. > But the > original Hindu systems from which this has developed > does not make > such a classification. The only classification which > is made is in > traditional Advaita Vedanta, which distinguishes > between a higher and > a Lower Knowledge, but regards only Jnana Yoga, or > intellectual > discrimination between Self and non-self as Higher, > and all other > forms of meditation, such as mantra japa, rituals, > or raja yoga as > purificions and therefore preparatory. In any case > the whole Yoga > Sutra would be preparatory only from the Advaita > perspective. > > I think the problem with Vaj is that he mixes too > many traditions and > makes his own theory out of it. He also confuses the > description of > Samadhi states in the Yogasutras, such as > Bijasamadhi with techniques > to acquire it. Its nonsense to say that Bijamantras > lead to > Bijasamadhi. It's nowhere said in any scripture. > > > on 5/20/05 8:50 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Yeah--fire mantra. Give it to someone with anger > or a screwed up > mars > > > and they'll have anything other than peace of > mind--although > they'll > > > GIVE you a piece of their mind... > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
