--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 23, 2005, at 11:24 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if a guru (which MMY isn't in the > > > > traditional sense, BTW) > > > > > > really DOES have the "bestest" technique or > > > > whatever, then it would > > > > > > be silly not to claim it. > > > > > > > > > > If there was such a thing. Not everyone > > believes > > > > what they are told. > > > > > Given that many trads. have a proven track > > record > > > > of enlightenment, > > > > > I'm sure many could claim they are the best. > > Many > > > > of those that do > > > > have > > > > > such a record, don't make such claims. > > > > > > > > > > A big emphasis of Bob's was watch out if they > > well > > > > you you should see > > > > > no other teachers....in this case very apropos > > re: > > > > TMO. > > > > > > > > Quite a few studies have come out in the past > > few > > > > years about > > > > enlightened individuals. The DSM has changed its > > > > evaluation of > > > > derealization from meditation/spiritual > > techniques > > > > based on interviews > > > > with enlightened TMers. > > > > > > What!!!!! "The DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical > > Manual > > > of Mental Disorders] has changed its evaluation of > > > derealization [disorder] based on interviews with > > > enlightened TMers" What is your source for this > > rather > > > dubious statement. > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > > > The DSM. > > > > REad the section about derealization disorders. > > > > > > > > "Voluntarily induced experiences of > > depersonalization or > > derealization form part of meditative and trance > > practices that are > > prevalent in many religions and cultures and should > > not be confused > > with Depersonalization Disorder." (p. 488) > > That's not the part I'm "!!!" about. It's the "based > on interviews with enlightened TMers". I assume this > was an assumption on your part? > -Peter >
Yes, based on similar wording/intent of this article. I also seem to recall some discussion of how the change to the DSM was arrived at, and I believe that this article specifically was mentioned: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2191357&query_hl=2 Partial text: http://minet.org/Documents/research.1990.castillo To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
