on 5/24/05 1:03 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>> Good for you.
>>> I am not a coward.
>>> I am not afraid of anything.
>>
>> How about if we dangled you with a flimsy rope from the Golden
> Gate Bridge
>> by your ankles? >>
>
>
> That sounds like fun.
> I'll give you $500 to do it. Thanks for the kind offer of this
> valuable service. You could be onto something ! Good business idea.
You didn't respond to the point. Wouldn't you be afraid in that
circumstance, and many others we could imagine? I would.
>
>>
>> Yes. Everyone is afraid of losing their individuality. It's a fear
>> fundamental to all unenlightened sentient beings.>>>
>
>
>
> What individuality? I am nothing.
So who is this that gets all upset by being called names, and wants to break
legs, etc.?
>> Irmeli and Peter and others may describe this better, but it seems
> to me
>> that a strong emotional reaction to anything usually indicates
> that we're
>> reacting to the presence of that same thing in ourselves.
>>>
> No, it doesn't. Sorry can't help you there. There is no shadow self.
> It is an illusion in your mind.
So people don't have unconscious issues and tendencies?
>>
>> "Many saints treat their most vociferous critics at par with their
> most devoted followers. The devotees serve and worship the Mahatmas
> but share with them their hoard of spiritual powers, but the critics
> take nothing for themselves, they just wash away their sins. We
> should indeed be very grateful for the beneficial service that they
> render and should in no case try to stifle their criticism."--quote
> supposed to be by Maharishi approx
>> 1967 or 1968>>>
>
>
> Ok, now relate this point to the point about being called a coward
> for calling myself owb.
I'll let Byron Katie answer the question:
1. Is it true?
* (Close your eyes, be still, go deeply as you contemplate your answer.
If your answer is no, continue to Question 3.)
2. Can you absolutely know that it's true?
* Can you know more than God/reality?
* Can you really know what's best in the long run for his/her/your own
path?
* Can you absolutely know that you would be happier if you got what you
wanted?
3. How do you react when you think that thought? (When you believe that
thought?)
* Where does the feeling hit you, where do you feel it in your body when
you believe that thought? How far does the feeling travel? Describe it.
* What pictures do you see when you believe that thought? Watch it, be
still, notice.
* When did that thought first occur to you?
* How do you treat others when you believe that thought? What do you say
to them? What do you do? Whom does your mind attack and how? Be specific.
* How do you treat yourself when you believe that thought? Is this where
addictions kick in and you reach for food, alcohol, credit cards, the TV
remote? Do thoughts of self-hatred occur? What are they?
* How have you lived your life because you believed that thought? Be
specific. Close your eyes, watch your past.
* Does this thought bring peace or stress into your life?
* Where does your mind travel when you believe that thought?
(List any underlying beliefs, and inquire later.)
* Whose business are you in when you think that thought?
* What do you get for holding onto that belief?
* Can you find a peaceful reason to keep that thought?
* What terrible thing do you assume would happen if you didn't believe
that thought? Write down the terrible thought, and turn it around to the
opposite and test it for yourself - is the opposite as true or truer?
4. Who would you be without the thought?
* How would you live life differently if you didn't believe that
thought? Close your eyes and imagine life without it.
* Imagine you are meeting this person for the very first time with no
story. What do you see?
* Who are you right now, sitting here without that thought?
Turn the thought around.
(Statements can be turned around to yourself, to the other, to the opposite,
and to "my thinking," wherever it applies. Find a minimum of three genuine
examples in your life where each turnaround is as true or truer than your
original statement.)
* If you lived this turnaround, what would you do, or how would you live
your life, differently?
* Do you see any other turnarounds that seem as true or truer?
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