--- In [email protected], "Jeff Fischer" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], steven klayman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > snip
> > > Do the puja, give them Gods name and have them repeat
> > it. End of story. Check up one them once in a while
> > and know their own karma guides them.
> > 
> > You dont still believe in meaningless sounds do you?
> > Or are you worried if you told the truth you would
> > break some "fine threads" between you and MMY. 
> > Read my lips. MANTRAS ARE NOT MEANINGLESS SOUNDS.
> > Read the Gita. Chapter 8. Krishna gives the technique
> > for God Realization at hte time of death.
> > Of course MMY never published the last 12 chapters.
> > Curious HuH?
> > Concentrate your gaze between the eyebrows and
> > meditate on Gods name.
> > 
> > Good luck to all true seekers and lovers of truth.
> > steve
> 
> The point I'd like to query here is that as an initiate and 
initiator
> I was told the mantras were meaningless sounds.  I became 
suspicious 
> about this hearing about the NJ court case and having been taught 
> that Sanskrit is a "name is form" language.  It unravelled for me 
> when I got my advanced technique and knew the meaning of 
that "sound".
> If the mantras were promoted as meaningless sounds and were indeed 
> names of God, doesn't it seem rather Machiavellian to misrepresent
> (dare I say lie?) this fact to westerners to get them to silently 
> chant the names of God "for their own good?"  And TM's NOT a 
religion?
> If you believe that, I refer you to the story about "a duck."
> 
> These are fundamental points.  When an organization fundamentally 
mis-
> represents itself, how long would you expect it to last?
> 

The bija mantras are meaningless by any standard. They have no 
meaning in Sanskrit or English and their origin is unknown. No TM 
mantra has meaning as it is taught. If you chose to assign it 
meaning, that's your problem.




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